Tell me what happened September 16 2023?
Then what happened November 11 2023?
Hey champ,
I had to think about what the Hell you were talking about because I didnât know. The fact that youâre calling this crap out by date like itâs 9/11 or Bloody Sunday is insane. Get some damned perspective on life. I totally get being emotionally raw in the moment as a passionate fan, but lugging around your emotional baggage like this is not healthy.
So to answer your question, theyâre the two days you should have sought professional help. When did our fan base get worse than OUâs?
I hope he does too. That would require him to be a little more innovative and less retarded though. One can only hope, right?
Just like how youâre still not man enough to admit I was right. I told you if we played like we did against Arky, against a top 15 team, we would get beat. I also asked you if the passing game doesnât work, then what? You said the passing game would open up the run. Neither one happened. Youâre giving this team more optimism than itâs deserved to date. Be man enough to admit you were wrong .
Hey champ,
Iâm not wrong. We could have run the ball. Dunn messed up.
Our longest run has been 18 yards. Then the next is 12 yards. So two times through four games he has runs for over 10 yards. Then you have Gundy saying âWeâve ran the ball fairly well when we have even numbers or a half-man advantageâ. Really? The best you can do so far with the best running back in the country, through four games, is a 18 yard run with several 3 yard gains and MAYBE a 5 yard gain a few times?
Ollie has ran the ball 73 times (18 rushes per game) for 258 yards (64 yards per game, 3.5 per rush). Thatâs against teams (outside of Utah) they have more talent than and are just flat out better. What makes you think it wouldâve been any different against the #12 team in the country that ranks 20th in total defense?
Here is what Ollie did:
- no gain, 4 yards, 7 yards, no gain, 3 yards, 2 yardsâŚ.halftimeâŚâŚ5 yards, 1 yard loss, 2 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards
Literally 3 rushes in this game for 5 yards or longer out of 11 attempts. Dunn canât run the ball if he canât scheme properly. Ollieâs first drive was okay, but there was no indication throughout the game until it was nearly over he was going to bust off even medium rushes.
The issue is they want to run the ball a specific way and absolutely refuse to adjust. This why I suggested a couple of heavier set formations to try and run the ball, since obviously, nothing else has worked to date. As long as theyâre barely winning they donât see it as an issue. They donât change anything unless they lose, and even then thereâs still no guarantee theyâll change much.
The same exact thing happened last season. Itâs a lack of focus and incompetence at its highest level. I find it comical that everyone said âWeâre unveiling our true offense now!!!â. They were right. Weâre unveiling what weâve been running ever since game one. Itâs just like I kept saying. What youâre seeing is what youâll get.
Hey champ,
He needs a higher volume. You could pull out segments of Micah Bernardâs game where he didnât have success and thatâs where weâd abandon the run, but they kept with it and they had a great game. For exampleâŚ
2, 4, 7, 1 (TD drive that last one isnât the scoring run so itâs a legitimate 1 yard gain), 8, 0, 1, 3, -3 (he fumbled)⌠thatâs a stretch where he was 2.6 YPC and thatâs just two carries short of what Ollie got for the whole game in two back to back drives. Did they do a crap job of blocking? No. Bernard had a good game, but if you just stopped running when you hit a rough patch, he would have had a bad game. Every play in the running game canât be a homerun, and at least you usually get SOME positive yardage. Also, when he got a short gain or no gain, they didnât have any problem going back to the run on the next play. The coaches and fans donât seem to have any patience for short gains on the ground.
1.) If you only run three times, a no gain skews the average. If Ollie ran the ball one more time for 6 yards, thatâs 4 YPC. Thatâs not horrible. You can work with that.
2.) Thereâs no rhythm. Ollie ran the ball one time for every 4 passes. That may be skewed a little by the end of the game, but for 90% of the game, we werenât down so far it prohibited running.
3.) A big runner wears down defenses. 11 rushes isnât enough. The biggest runs will be later in the game more frequently. If he only runs 11 times, thatâs probably half of what he should be running and itâll usually be the worse half.
Power running for the sake of it is probably not a great idea. Ollie didnât run well with a fullback last year. You donât want to pull our talented receivers out to put in more blockers because a big part of why you want to run is to open up the pass, and if you swap between sets for pass and run, no one is going to respect the play action if youâre not in your running set. Iâm not saying the run blocking couldnât be better, but we need more patience. Everytime we donât have immediate success, we canât go pass heavy.
No, you need to change the scheme. When you have known for almost a month theyâll stack the box, the best running back in the country averages 64 yards per game, and you largely keep trying the same thing. That means youâre an incompetent imbecile that shouldnât be calling plays for a top 25 D1 program. Iowa fired the coaches son finally because he wouldnât do it himself. If we didnât have a bunch of âjust become bowl eligibleâ people in our administration Dunn wouldâve been gone 2 years ago.
What youâre doing is making excuses and denying the fact we have a huge problem in our running game. Youâre saying it wouldâve worked when Iâve already shown you against a competent defense that Ollie is getting extremely lucky to get a rush of four yards or better throughout the game. Im not against running the ball more. However, Iâm against the current scheme thatâs set up right now. How many games do they need to do the same thing before proving to themselves it wonât work?
Hey champ,
Iâm not making excuses. I disagree with you. Not running the ball enough is a criticism. Itâs just different from your criticism. You didnât âshowâ anything. Eleven rushes isnât a sufficient sample size. The ground game is a grind. They arenât willing to grind it out. Iâm not even saying that getting more creative wonât help, but another 11 carries wouldâve helped. He was getting enough of a push to keep trying, especially since itâs not like it was working worse than the passing attack.
His longest run was 18 yards near the end of the game. His longest runs of the day before those rushes were 5 and 7 yards. So weâll go with 2 for 10. A 20% success rate of 5 yards or more my friend. So what youâre telling me as long as he get 5 yards or better 20% of the time that it would be sustainable success? Even when weâve proven the three games prior to this one it ainât working? Okay .
If I ran Ollie 20 times and heâs given me 4 runs of 5 yards the most Iâm looking at is 20 yards total. If I take his other 16 runs or so and multiply them by 3.5 (his average) then Iâm looking at 20 rushes for a grand total of 76 yards. Btw, Ollie rushed for 42 yards on 11 rushes (3.8) per rush. Before his longest run he had 10 rushes for a grand total of 24 yards (2.4 per rush). So the likelihood based on the entire game until it was nearly over wouldâve been most likely been Ollie rushing for less than 4 yards per carry. Which is something Gundy said they would need to sustain.
If Gundy is correct then by all means the schemes shouldâve changed slightly, and an extra formation to find other ways to run Ollie shouldâve been instituted before this game happened. The issue is that it didnât. Because they do this ALL THE TIME. You have to lose first with this coaching staff before anything changes.
Hey champ,
Wow. You reach new levels of stupid every time you talk.
1.) Why would you throw out the best run? When you only have 11 rushes, thatâs going to screw up your average. I showed you this by picking a stretch where Utahâs rusher averaged 2.5 over a stretch of 8 attempts.
2.) Yardage will increase later in the game as defenses wear down. Even if it was less than 3 yards a carry over 10 runs, that doesnât equate to being less than 3 yards a carry over 20 runs.
3.) 2.5 yards a carry would put us in 3rd and 5 if we ran twice. Thatâs much better than the 3rd and 10s we repeatedly found ourselves in after incompletions on 1st and 2nd.
Youâre the one that said the pass would open up the run. That literally didnât happen. I told you thatâs more difficult to do against a top 20 defense. You ignored it and didnât listen. The stats speak for themselves. So whoâs really the stupid one here?
Youâre too stupid to realize what might work against FCS and G5 schools doesnât necessarily translate to P4 ranked teams. Also, if something ISNâT working against those schools then you can be most assured itâs NOT going to work against a team like Utah. Youâre thinking like Gundy and Dunn. You might think about changing your philosophy some.
Thatâs fine. Even if I throw in 22 rushes for 84 yards Iâm still sitting at 3.8 per rush. Iâm still not hitting that 4 yard mark as Gundy stated .
Thatâs cool. So what about their total? Did you think to take that into account? The overall main point is weâve yet to prove we can consistently rush the ball no matter whoâs running it.
So now you want to run the ball when youâre down by 19 in the 4th quarter? Wow!!!
OSU ranks 72nd (not even middle of the pack) in third down conversions. Weâve also struggled to get conversions on third and short since the beginning of the season. What on earth gives you confidence weâre going to convert on a 3rd and 5? Especially when your passing game is nonexistent?
You really should look yourself in the mirror before calling anyone else stupid ya numbnuts.
Hey champ,
The key to the pass opening up the run is completing passes. The fatal flaw in this team dynamic is that we have an average quarterback. At his best, he can play well enough to beat anyone weâll face this year with the weapons he has. Heâs not consistent enough to do that every week, though. We saw that in the UCF game. We might be able to get by with one more clunker performance from him. Our margin of error is gone, but this was also our toughest game. We didnât struggle because the opposing defense was a worldbeater. We struggled because Bowman was inaccurate (or he and the receivers werenât on the same page). Itâs not that they didnât have good coverage, they did, but there was more than enough separation to get more than 3 points in 3 quarters if he wasnât under and overthrowing everyone.
My point with double rushing attempts is that the average should go up with more attempts. You are so dense. Intentionally, I hope.
And whose fault is that? Who is starting him, and who is teaching him to stop throwing off his back foot?
I didnât say they were a world beater. Iâve already mentioned to you even during the Arkansas game we have some real problems on offense. You didnât care as long as we were winning. It was evident that Arkansas beat themselves so we could win. You still never acknowledged that was one of the main reasons. Also, I highly doubt if OSU were to come back and win this game. You would still acknowledge thereâs no major issues. You donât acknowledge it until we lose. Just like the coaching staff.
Again, what if the pass isnât working? Are you going to keep running Ollie through a brick wall until you finally score a touchdown being down by double digits? In the three games before this Ollie averaged 3.2 yards per rush combined and 72 rushing yards per game. 126 of his 216 yards were against SDSU. Youâre trying to tell me the run wouldâve opened up more as the game went on. WellâŚâŚhe had 17 rushes in two of those games and 28 in the other. So the evidence we have shows thatâs simply not true, and itâs really just your own opinion.
His average went down after the SDSU game. It was 2.9 against Arkansas and 2.4 against Tulsa. He had the same number of attempts in each game. Again, itâs just your opinion and not based on any previous evidence. Do your research before calling anyone dense .
Hey champ,
Yeah, Iâm ok with winning ugly. Winning is the goal. That doesnât mean I think the team shouldnât work on things after wins. Youâre so ridiculous as a person. Youâre so twisted up by your abusive boyfriend fandom (or complete freaking trolling over a team that you arenât a fan of which is waaaaay more likely based on literally everything) that you lose all perspective.
Further, Gundy isnât ok with the lack of improvement. I donât which side of Gundy trutherism youâre on, but I donât think itâs ever been clearer that he lets his coordinators run their side of the ball. He has been calling out Dunn. After wins, it was more positive encouragement and after a loss, itâs been more pointed criticism. Heâs not running the offense; heâs delegating and telling them what needs to be fixed, offering advice, and critiquing what theyâre doing. Dunn has shown growth from his first couple of seasons. I suspect that if he does not continue to grow this season, he will be gone.
You keep saying we beat Arkansas because they gave the game away as if the mistakes they made were never forced, as if we didnât make our own mistakes, as if we didnât have to capitalize on their miatakes with execution. Thatâs a ridiculous thing to say and even more ridiculous to believe. Stop saying it. Itâs stupid. Nine times out of ten, the team that wins does so because they outplayed their opponent. Only in rare situations does a team âgive away a gameâ by doing something catastrophic and completely unforced.
The reason I say we needed to run more has nothing to do with other games this season. I say that because the box was not as stacked as in previous games, so it wasnât the same situation as in previous games. You could run 100 times into an 8 man front without getting much success. If they stack the box, then power running is going at them strength on strength and is a bad idea. If a defense is selling out to stop the run, they want you to run. Itâs literally the opposite of what you should do. The better strategy is to exploit it with the pass. If their defense is more balanced, you should attack with balance and you canât only run 11 times. Good coordinators would never give up on the run in that scenario.
If youâre silent after things looking ugly it means you donât see an issue. If you did, then you would voice those concerns. You never did previously. You only voice it after a loss. Stop lying.
If your OC has proven the year prior he can be awful. Then you review is plan well before the game, and tweak it if necessary. The fact that Gundy lets a dude whoâs had only one top 50 offense after nearly 4.5 seasons of football should be one of two indicators:
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You better help him not look so incompetent and inconsistent
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You better hire someone different. Because heâs obviously proving heâs not the dude for the job without needing help from the HC.
My stance has always been consistent on Gundy. Heâs a good coach if you want to get to a bowl game. Heâs not a championship caliber coach. Never has been, and never will be. The only time Gundy will come close to winning a conference title again is if heâs hired an excellent OC or DC (aka Monken or Knowles). Itâs not going to happen with him hiring D2 coaches or pretenders as an OC.
Arkansas missed two field goals, turned it over four times, and didnât convert on two fourth downs. Yet, they still drove down the field in 50 seconds and forced the game into OT. That shouldâve been a huge red flag for you in our offensive ineptitude. Then again the ones with orange shades always ignore it.
Good coordinators will find ways to run the ball no matter what. K State lost all their OL and Giddens still runs for 6.1 yards per rush. We return our entire OL and we struggle to get over three yards. Youâre also still ignoring the point I made. 10 rushes for 24 yards against Utah before a big run. Thatâs not consistency. Thatâs called incompetence. You want to complain about Dunn not running the ball, and at the same time you donât want him gone. He has a history of doing this all the freaking time.
Hey champ,
I can tell youâre illiterate or just making stuff up.
I donât really complain after a win or after a loss because it doesnât do any good. Fans complaining doesnât do any goodâespecially harping on it ad nauseum. There is exactly one way fans affect anything the team does and thatâs by not, in any way, financially supporting the team, but you avidly watch the team every week so you can complain about it. If youâre supporting the product, youâre okaying the status quo. Fans bailed on Holderâs bad basketball coach hirings, coaches got fired (eventually, when the money finally made sense).
I have never said I liked the Dunn hiring. Never once. For a year or two, itâs a wait and see thing. His offenses have statisically gotten better, so he has improved (he had an outlier the year Sanders went down, I believe). I hope he continues to improve, and if he doesnât, then heâll probably be fired. Iâm not saying Iâve never been frustrated and wanted someone fired, but autistically yelling about it everyday isnât going to make it happen, and itâs almost never going to happen midseason and especially not when, as of now, weâre not out of the running for anything. So, your plan is just, I guess⌠to hate watch every game, take down notes of everything bad about the offense, blame the coaches you donât like, and whine about it. Sounds like a fun way to spend the Fall.
I suggest:
- Rooting for the team and hoping they do well (being happy and positive).
- If thatâs too Pollyanna for you, then not watching (not actively upsetting yourself and being negative).
You can say your whole âIâm just a realistâ line, but youâre emotionally invested in a sports fandom or else no one would care. If you get happiness out of watching, then watch. If it just gives you a mountain of grievances that you feel you need to obsessively vent, then stop watching.
No, but you come in here complaining about the fans that do. The same ones that spend money to support the team. All Iâm asking is for my moneyâs worth, and Dunn keeps delivering a turd to the fans while he gets pay increases for becoming more incompetent. So excuse me for having some kind of standard for the team that returns the second most starters in the country . Iâm a realist and you wear orange shades. You can get over yourself now.
Hey champ,
Youâre not getting your moneyâs worth, but you keep paying in, so⌠maybe youâre not the realist you think you are⌠or youâre a sucker.
How about you post your thoughts in an updated forum? Or do you not want others telling you reality as well? How about that passing game today?
Hey champ,
An updated forum? What the heck are you talking about? I had social obligations today, so I didnât get to watch. Checked my app and heard maybe five minutes on the radio. I know the box score, not how it unfolded, so I donât have anything to comment on, really. I donât talk out of my butt like others.