Instant Recap: Oklahoma State Blows Out Tulsa 45-10

Tell me what happened September 16 2023?
Then what happened November 11 2023?

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Hey champ,

I had to think about what the Hell you were talking about because I didn’t know. The fact that you’re calling this crap out by date like it’s 9/11 or Bloody Sunday is insane. Get some damned perspective on life. I totally get being emotionally raw in the moment as a passionate fan, but lugging around your emotional baggage like this is not healthy.

So to answer your question, they’re the two days you should have sought professional help. When did our fan base get worse than OU’s?

I hope he does too. That would require him to be a little more innovative and less retarded though. One can only hope, right?

Just like how you’re still not man enough to admit I was right. I told you if we played like we did against Arky, against a top 15 team, we would get beat. I also asked you if the passing game doesn’t work, then what? You said the passing game would open up the run. Neither one happened. You’re giving this team more optimism than it’s deserved to date. Be man enough to admit you were wrong :+1:.

Hey champ,

I’m not wrong. We could have run the ball. Dunn messed up.

Our longest run has been 18 yards. Then the next is 12 yards. So two times through four games he has runs for over 10 yards. Then you have Gundy saying “We’ve ran the ball fairly well when we have even numbers or a half-man advantage”. Really? The best you can do so far with the best running back in the country, through four games, is a 18 yard run with several 3 yard gains and MAYBE a 5 yard gain a few times?

Ollie has ran the ball 73 times (18 rushes per game) for 258 yards (64 yards per game, 3.5 per rush). That’s against teams (outside of Utah) they have more talent than and are just flat out better. What makes you think it would’ve been any different against the #12 team in the country that ranks 20th in total defense?

Here is what Ollie did:

  • no gain, 4 yards, 7 yards, no gain, 3 yards, 2 yards….halftime……5 yards, 1 yard loss, 2 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards

Literally 3 rushes in this game for 5 yards or longer out of 11 attempts. Dunn can’t run the ball if he can’t scheme properly. Ollie’s first drive was okay, but there was no indication throughout the game until it was nearly over he was going to bust off even medium rushes.

The issue is they want to run the ball a specific way and absolutely refuse to adjust. This why I suggested a couple of heavier set formations to try and run the ball, since obviously, nothing else has worked to date. As long as they’re barely winning they don’t see it as an issue. They don’t change anything unless they lose, and even then there’s still no guarantee they’ll change much.

The same exact thing happened last season. It’s a lack of focus and incompetence at its highest level. I find it comical that everyone said “We’re unveiling our true offense now!!!”. They were right. We’re unveiling what we’ve been running ever since game one. It’s just like I kept saying. What you’re seeing is what you’ll get.

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Hey champ,

He needs a higher volume. You could pull out segments of Micah Bernard’s game where he didn’t have success and that’s where we’d abandon the run, but they kept with it and they had a great game. For example…

2, 4, 7, 1 (TD drive that last one isn’t the scoring run so it’s a legitimate 1 yard gain), 8, 0, 1, 3, -3 (he fumbled)… that’s a stretch where he was 2.6 YPC and that’s just two carries short of what Ollie got for the whole game in two back to back drives. Did they do a crap job of blocking? No. Bernard had a good game, but if you just stopped running when you hit a rough patch, he would have had a bad game. Every play in the running game can’t be a homerun, and at least you usually get SOME positive yardage. Also, when he got a short gain or no gain, they didn’t have any problem going back to the run on the next play. The coaches and fans don’t seem to have any patience for short gains on the ground.

1.) If you only run three times, a no gain skews the average. If Ollie ran the ball one more time for 6 yards, that’s 4 YPC. That’s not horrible. You can work with that.
2.) There’s no rhythm. Ollie ran the ball one time for every 4 passes. That may be skewed a little by the end of the game, but for 90% of the game, we weren’t down so far it prohibited running.
3.) A big runner wears down defenses. 11 rushes isn’t enough. The biggest runs will be later in the game more frequently. If he only runs 11 times, that’s probably half of what he should be running and it’ll usually be the worse half.

Power running for the sake of it is probably not a great idea. Ollie didn’t run well with a fullback last year. You don’t want to pull our talented receivers out to put in more blockers because a big part of why you want to run is to open up the pass, and if you swap between sets for pass and run, no one is going to respect the play action if you’re not in your running set. I’m not saying the run blocking couldn’t be better, but we need more patience. Everytime we don’t have immediate success, we can’t go pass heavy.

No, you need to change the scheme. When you have known for almost a month they’ll stack the box, the best running back in the country averages 64 yards per game, and you largely keep trying the same thing. That means you’re an incompetent imbecile that shouldn’t be calling plays for a top 25 D1 program. Iowa fired the coaches son finally because he wouldn’t do it himself. If we didn’t have a bunch of “just become bowl eligible” people in our administration Dunn would’ve been gone 2 years ago.

What you’re doing is making excuses and denying the fact we have a huge problem in our running game. You’re saying it would’ve worked when I’ve already shown you against a competent defense that Ollie is getting extremely lucky to get a rush of four yards or better throughout the game. Im not against running the ball more. However, I’m against the current scheme that’s set up right now. How many games do they need to do the same thing before proving to themselves it won’t work?

Hey champ,

I’m not making excuses. I disagree with you. Not running the ball enough is a criticism. It’s just different from your criticism. You didn’t “show” anything. Eleven rushes isn’t a sufficient sample size. The ground game is a grind. They aren’t willing to grind it out. I’m not even saying that getting more creative won’t help, but another 11 carries would’ve helped. He was getting enough of a push to keep trying, especially since it’s not like it was working worse than the passing attack.

His longest run was 18 yards near the end of the game. His longest runs of the day before those rushes were 5 and 7 yards. So we’ll go with 2 for 10. A 20% success rate of 5 yards or more my friend. So what you’re telling me as long as he get 5 yards or better 20% of the time that it would be sustainable success? Even when we’ve proven the three games prior to this one it ain’t working? Okay :+1:.

If I ran Ollie 20 times and he’s given me 4 runs of 5 yards the most I’m looking at is 20 yards total. If I take his other 16 runs or so and multiply them by 3.5 (his average) then I’m looking at 20 rushes for a grand total of 76 yards. Btw, Ollie rushed for 42 yards on 11 rushes (3.8) per rush. Before his longest run he had 10 rushes for a grand total of 24 yards (2.4 per rush). So the likelihood based on the entire game until it was nearly over would’ve been most likely been Ollie rushing for less than 4 yards per carry. Which is something Gundy said they would need to sustain.

If Gundy is correct then by all means the schemes should’ve changed slightly, and an extra formation to find other ways to run Ollie should’ve been instituted before this game happened. The issue is that it didn’t. Because they do this ALL THE TIME. You have to lose first with this coaching staff before anything changes.

Hey champ,

Wow. You reach new levels of stupid every time you talk.

1.) Why would you throw out the best run? When you only have 11 rushes, that’s going to screw up your average. I showed you this by picking a stretch where Utah’s rusher averaged 2.5 over a stretch of 8 attempts.
2.) Yardage will increase later in the game as defenses wear down. Even if it was less than 3 yards a carry over 10 runs, that doesn’t equate to being less than 3 yards a carry over 20 runs.
3.) 2.5 yards a carry would put us in 3rd and 5 if we ran twice. That’s much better than the 3rd and 10s we repeatedly found ourselves in after incompletions on 1st and 2nd.

You’re the one that said the pass would open up the run. That literally didn’t happen. I told you that’s more difficult to do against a top 20 defense. You ignored it and didn’t listen. The stats speak for themselves. So who’s really the stupid one here?

You’re too stupid to realize what might work against FCS and G5 schools doesn’t necessarily translate to P4 ranked teams. Also, if something ISN’T working against those schools then you can be most assured it’s NOT going to work against a team like Utah. You’re thinking like Gundy and Dunn. You might think about changing your philosophy some.

That’s fine. Even if I throw in 22 rushes for 84 yards I’m still sitting at 3.8 per rush. I’m still not hitting that 4 yard mark as Gundy stated :man_shrugging:.

That’s cool. So what about their total? Did you think to take that into account? The overall main point is we’ve yet to prove we can consistently rush the ball no matter who’s running it.

So now you want to run the ball when you’re down by 19 in the 4th quarter? Wow!!!

OSU ranks 72nd (not even middle of the pack) in third down conversions. We’ve also struggled to get conversions on third and short since the beginning of the season. What on earth gives you confidence we’re going to convert on a 3rd and 5? Especially when your passing game is nonexistent?

You really should look yourself in the mirror before calling anyone else stupid ya numbnuts.

Hey champ,

The key to the pass opening up the run is completing passes. The fatal flaw in this team dynamic is that we have an average quarterback. At his best, he can play well enough to beat anyone we’ll face this year with the weapons he has. He’s not consistent enough to do that every week, though. We saw that in the UCF game. We might be able to get by with one more clunker performance from him. Our margin of error is gone, but this was also our toughest game. We didn’t struggle because the opposing defense was a worldbeater. We struggled because Bowman was inaccurate (or he and the receivers weren’t on the same page). It’s not that they didn’t have good coverage, they did, but there was more than enough separation to get more than 3 points in 3 quarters if he wasn’t under and overthrowing everyone.

My point with double rushing attempts is that the average should go up with more attempts. You are so dense. Intentionally, I hope.

And whose fault is that? Who is starting him, and who is teaching him to stop throwing off his back foot?

I didn’t say they were a world beater. I’ve already mentioned to you even during the Arkansas game we have some real problems on offense. You didn’t care as long as we were winning. It was evident that Arkansas beat themselves so we could win. You still never acknowledged that was one of the main reasons. Also, I highly doubt if OSU were to come back and win this game. You would still acknowledge there’s no major issues. You don’t acknowledge it until we lose. Just like the coaching staff.

Again, what if the pass isn’t working? Are you going to keep running Ollie through a brick wall until you finally score a touchdown being down by double digits? In the three games before this Ollie averaged 3.2 yards per rush combined and 72 rushing yards per game. 126 of his 216 yards were against SDSU. You’re trying to tell me the run would’ve opened up more as the game went on. Well……he had 17 rushes in two of those games and 28 in the other. So the evidence we have shows that’s simply not true, and it’s really just your own opinion.

His average went down after the SDSU game. It was 2.9 against Arkansas and 2.4 against Tulsa. He had the same number of attempts in each game. Again, it’s just your opinion and not based on any previous evidence. Do your research before calling anyone dense :+1:.

Hey champ,

Yeah, I’m ok with winning ugly. Winning is the goal. That doesn’t mean I think the team shouldn’t work on things after wins. You’re so ridiculous as a person. You’re so twisted up by your abusive boyfriend fandom (or complete freaking trolling over a team that you aren’t a fan of which is waaaaay more likely based on literally everything) that you lose all perspective.

Further, Gundy isn’t ok with the lack of improvement. I don’t which side of Gundy trutherism you’re on, but I don’t think it’s ever been clearer that he lets his coordinators run their side of the ball. He has been calling out Dunn. After wins, it was more positive encouragement and after a loss, it’s been more pointed criticism. He’s not running the offense; he’s delegating and telling them what needs to be fixed, offering advice, and critiquing what they’re doing. Dunn has shown growth from his first couple of seasons. I suspect that if he does not continue to grow this season, he will be gone.

You keep saying we beat Arkansas because they gave the game away as if the mistakes they made were never forced, as if we didn’t make our own mistakes, as if we didn’t have to capitalize on their miatakes with execution. That’s a ridiculous thing to say and even more ridiculous to believe. Stop saying it. It’s stupid. Nine times out of ten, the team that wins does so because they outplayed their opponent. Only in rare situations does a team “give away a game” by doing something catastrophic and completely unforced.

The reason I say we needed to run more has nothing to do with other games this season. I say that because the box was not as stacked as in previous games, so it wasn’t the same situation as in previous games. You could run 100 times into an 8 man front without getting much success. If they stack the box, then power running is going at them strength on strength and is a bad idea. If a defense is selling out to stop the run, they want you to run. It’s literally the opposite of what you should do. The better strategy is to exploit it with the pass. If their defense is more balanced, you should attack with balance and you can’t only run 11 times. Good coordinators would never give up on the run in that scenario.

If you’re silent after things looking ugly it means you don’t see an issue. If you did, then you would voice those concerns. You never did previously. You only voice it after a loss. Stop lying.

If your OC has proven the year prior he can be awful. Then you review is plan well before the game, and tweak it if necessary. The fact that Gundy lets a dude who’s had only one top 50 offense after nearly 4.5 seasons of football should be one of two indicators:

  1. You better help him not look so incompetent and inconsistent

  2. You better hire someone different. Because he’s obviously proving he’s not the dude for the job without needing help from the HC.

My stance has always been consistent on Gundy. He’s a good coach if you want to get to a bowl game. He’s not a championship caliber coach. Never has been, and never will be. The only time Gundy will come close to winning a conference title again is if he’s hired an excellent OC or DC (aka Monken or Knowles). It’s not going to happen with him hiring D2 coaches or pretenders as an OC.

Arkansas missed two field goals, turned it over four times, and didn’t convert on two fourth downs. Yet, they still drove down the field in 50 seconds and forced the game into OT. That should’ve been a huge red flag for you in our offensive ineptitude. Then again the ones with orange shades always ignore it.

Good coordinators will find ways to run the ball no matter what. K State lost all their OL and Giddens still runs for 6.1 yards per rush. We return our entire OL and we struggle to get over three yards. You’re also still ignoring the point I made. 10 rushes for 24 yards against Utah before a big run. That’s not consistency. That’s called incompetence. You want to complain about Dunn not running the ball, and at the same time you don’t want him gone. He has a history of doing this all the freaking time.

Hey champ,

I can tell you’re illiterate or just making stuff up.

I don’t really complain after a win or after a loss because it doesn’t do any good. Fans complaining doesn’t do any good–especially harping on it ad nauseum. There is exactly one way fans affect anything the team does and that’s by not, in any way, financially supporting the team, but you avidly watch the team every week so you can complain about it. If you’re supporting the product, you’re okaying the status quo. Fans bailed on Holder’s bad basketball coach hirings, coaches got fired (eventually, when the money finally made sense).

I have never said I liked the Dunn hiring. Never once. For a year or two, it’s a wait and see thing. His offenses have statisically gotten better, so he has improved (he had an outlier the year Sanders went down, I believe). I hope he continues to improve, and if he doesn’t, then he’ll probably be fired. I’m not saying I’ve never been frustrated and wanted someone fired, but autistically yelling about it everyday isn’t going to make it happen, and it’s almost never going to happen midseason and especially not when, as of now, we’re not out of the running for anything. So, your plan is just, I guess… to hate watch every game, take down notes of everything bad about the offense, blame the coaches you don’t like, and whine about it. Sounds like a fun way to spend the Fall.

I suggest:

  • Rooting for the team and hoping they do well (being happy and positive).
  • If that’s too Pollyanna for you, then not watching (not actively upsetting yourself and being negative).

You can say your whole “I’m just a realist” line, but you’re emotionally invested in a sports fandom or else no one would care. If you get happiness out of watching, then watch. If it just gives you a mountain of grievances that you feel you need to obsessively vent, then stop watching.

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No, but you come in here complaining about the fans that do. The same ones that spend money to support the team. All I’m asking is for my money’s worth, and Dunn keeps delivering a turd to the fans while he gets pay increases for becoming more incompetent. So excuse me for having some kind of standard for the team that returns the second most starters in the country :man_shrugging:. I’m a realist and you wear orange shades. You can get over yourself now.

Hey champ,

You’re not getting your money’s worth, but you keep paying in, so… maybe you’re not the realist you think you are… or you’re a sucker.

How about you post your thoughts in an updated forum? Or do you not want others telling you reality as well? How about that passing game today?

Hey champ,

An updated forum? What the heck are you talking about? I had social obligations today, so I didn’t get to watch. Checked my app and heard maybe five minutes on the radio. I know the box score, not how it unfolded, so I don’t have anything to comment on, really. I don’t talk out of my butt like others.