Oklahoma State an Early Nine-Point Favorite over Arkansas

I didn’t make any excuses. In fact, I said I thought it was solid. Stop making stuff up. Why are you getting so upset? Be a man!!!

I also never said I think we’re better than Arkansas or vice versa. There’s no real opponents in week 1 for either team to base on who is more talented and who isn’t. That’s you making presumptions.

Careful now, I told you in an earlier post that if you want to continue I’ll have you running circles around your own stupidity :+1:.

Hey champ,

I’m not upset at all, that’s you making presumptions. Yes, I am reading into it that you really think we’re better than Arkansas, but you’re shooting a shot in the dark here, hoping for an upset you can crow about. Then you just said you have no basis for measuring either team, proving pretty much everything I’ve been saying:
1.) Predictions are meaningless because it’s all about feeling. You basically said you don’t have any evidence to support your position.
2.) You’re just throwing out baseless predictions to brag about them if OSU loses.

Yeah, you are making excuses. Defending your prediction as “solid” despite it being three scores off is making excuses. Saying, “well, here’s all the super smart reasons I was wrong when every betting line, person here, and reality disagreed,” instead of, “wow, I really misjudged this team, guess my bitterness and prejudices made me ignorant” is making excuses. Hope that helps, champ.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy running circles around your stupidity. For future reference, I would suggest not immediately contradicting yourself all the time.

Not really, I know Arkansas brought in a total of 22 transfer portal players. Most notably the South Bama back that said Dunn’s offense looks like slow motion. In comparison, OSU only brought in 8 total. We barely got by teams last season that weren’t really that good.

I think the jury is still out on just how good we truly are. If OSU blows Arkansas out of the water then perhaps my opinion will change. I don’t see that happening though. I figure it’s going to be either a close OSU win, or close loss. I’m choosing the latter simply because I know who’s running the offense and our defense hasn’t proven to me yet they’re capable of limiting big plays.

My evidence is seeing with my own eyes what we’re doing on offense and defense. My evidence is that the last three years we’ve pretty much gone down to the wire with FCS schools outside of Arkansas PB who is absolutely terrible. So there’s no solid evidence for me to suggest OSU wouldn’t have played down to the level of competition this past weekend.

Use some kind of logic, reason, and critical thinking bro.

Hey champ,

I hope that last part was to your reflection. You acknowledged you think this will be a close loss or a close win and you picked the loss which exactly proves my point that predictions are just confidence tinged with desire.

Your reasoning that they brought in more transfers makes no sense. That’s like saying they had more gaps to fill and have less chemistry. OSU returned a ridiculous number of starters. Of course we didn’t go grab a bunch of transfers.

The team you just said was trash and our only exception is the only one Arkansas has beaten. You’re using struggling against FCS teams as a reason for discounting us when the FCS team we played is the best FCS team and one you said was at low-end P4 (Big XII) level. Why would the most recent data point, the only one with this iteration of the team, not weigh more?

You’re making the case that the USA guy said we were slow, but everyone knows the post-mortem was that we went way too vanilla with USA, kept doing the QB/RB carousel, etc. Having a QB that has built a year of chemistry and the nation’s best running back carry more than a handful of times ought to make things seem a bit faster, no? Your bitterness over the past is making you overlook the present. Have a Snickers, champ.

Did OSU have more talent than South Bama and UCF last season? Yes or no? I think you’re underestimating our capability to sometimes screw the pooch on something we shouldn’t in the first place.

I never said it didn’t. However, I’m going to bet Arkansas most likely has more talent, speed, and physical toughness compared to SDSU. They play in the toughest conference in the country. There’s no comparison in them and SDSU. They also did what you expect any competent P4 team to do. They were up 49-0 at the half against Arky PB and played every player on their team. Yeah….Arky PB is trash, but I can’t say for certain we would’ve done the same. We’ve been a very Jekyl and Hyde program over the last three seasons. I have no idea what to expect from Dunn. Sometimes he’s average, rarely great, and sometimes down right terrible in his play calling. Why would I put any trust in that kind of erratic behavior?

If we can be bad enough to get pounded 33-7 on our own field against an average Sunbelt team. Then tell me how we can’t be bad enough to get pounded on our own field by an average SEC team? I think it’ll be a close game, but I have also seen this repeat too many times in the past as well. What you’re asking me to do is put a bunch of stock into a program that’s proven to me they’re good enough to win ten games while at the same time proving they can lose to inferior opponents in the same season.

Also, your point about chemistry doesn’t always equate to a team not being able to play together. TCU brought in 22 transfers in 2022 and found themselves playing for a national title. Yea they were blown out, but the point is they still won thirteen games and made it further than any Big 12 team did since the CFP was instituted. The overall point is you have confidence in a program, that honestly, hasn’t proven anything significantly different outside total wins since 2011.

Hey champ,

I have a reasonable amount of confidence. FPI has us winning 55%. Vegas has us about a TD favorite. It’s not a gimme, but it’s one we probably win 6 out of 10 times. You’re the one going against the odds to say “your team” (lol) is going to lose.

You keep going back to last year like we had some catastrophic season. We surpassed everyone’s expectations and made the conference title game. Ok, we had a couple of bad losses. It happens to everyone. Yeah, we underachieved twice, but we mostly overachieved. We had very little chance against Texas, so we reached our ceiling even in spite of the stumbles.

@bill18 Isn’t bitter about the past. He’s just bitter that we SOLIDLY beat the #1 FCS team in the country, that we are winning and that HCMG is still around. Us beating SDSU also means that he will have to keep dredging up meaningless games from the past in his moronic attempt to tell us that OSU is a crap team and that it is 90% Dunns fault and 100% HCMG’s fault because he is a crap coach and he made Dunn OC. @bill18 hates OSU because they don’t have some arbitrary shiny things in the trophy case. Nothing else matters. There is no normal college football fan that thinks this way.

You should read the other article then. Because Vegas has Arkansas covering. Which means they think Arky might win. Looks like I wasn’t far off :+1:.

Not really, because Vegas thinks Arky covers the spread. I made my prediction yesterday. Which means I’m within a 9 point range. Keep doubting me though :+1:.

So everyone loses by a combined score of 78-10 to teams with a combined record 14-12? So we can’t be as good as Central Michigan, Tulane, Troy, James Madison, Louisiana, and Texas State? Because that’s who South Bama lost to.

If I’m so bitter about it then why were the only two issues I brought up were 3rd and 1 along with giving up chunk plays? I even said it was a solid game. Now, tell me exactly WHAT we’re winning that anyone truly cares about?

Tell me who’s knocking down Gundy’s door to come scoop up Dunn right now? I’m sure they’re chomping at the bits to steal his red zone offense out of Stillwater :roll_eyes:.

Tell me why that is?

Hey champ,

That’s not how anything works. Vegas can’t have someone covering the spread. Vegas is the spread. The money pushes the spread to one degree or the other, but no, Vegas doesn’t think Arkansas is going to win or the points would be on the other side. Completely stupid statement.

Oh, and P.S. Champ,

The reason Dunn is OC is because someone did want him to be the OC.

Hmmmm I didn’t realize this until I looked it up and I was at the last game where we beat Arkansas back in 1975.

Yep bets placed are a large factor in changes to the spread.

Hey Champ,

Try to read closely. I said they think Arky MIGHT win. The fact they have them covering means they don’t have much confidence in OSU winning by more than a touchdown. It could go either way. Oh, and the fact that we’re going into year 5 with Dunn and nobody is knocking down Gundy’s door to come get him tells you everything you need to know :+1:. Some teams like to have a red zone offense.

Hey champ,

Covering isn’t the same as winning. Check your ESL dictionary again.

And MIGHT isn’t the same as WILL either :man_shrugging:.