Agree. I dont blame that guard for not making moves to stay ahead of the curve. I also dont blame the Administrations either, due to the new environment as well. Were still pretty new into this thing, so its all fluid. But to not blame Gundy in any way WHILE blaming the AD…is par for the course for these Pro-Gundy guys.
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On paper, yes. Obviously, if he doesn’t have donor backing, the buyout would put the university in legal and financial trouble. If he did it unilaterally, the board would fire him, but just because I said it simply doesn’t mean it would be easy, so let’s spell it out.
If Weiberg talked to the board, the donors, and the rest of the administration, explained the situation to them and got them on board that a GM is needed in the NIL era and gave them a financial plan and a vision and everyone agreed it was the right thing to do based on his foresight, and Gundy was resistant to it, then you already have those problems taken care of.
On paper only, lol. Gundy even had more power than Mike Holder, but Holder had T. Boone on his side so Gundy was always in more trouble back then. However, he never had 2-win seasons when Pickens was ponying up the dough.
Your theory is accurate. But its not realistic as it pertains to Mike Gundy during his tenure. Again, youre being stubborn simply for stubborns sake. Gundy would not have embraced that by any stretch of the imagination. And the powers that be would not have forced the issue, nor should they have at that time.
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Youre wasting your time with him, as am I. He is one of those Gundy guys who wont see the other side of the fence. Gundy was running his program as he wanted, which is a right that he EARNED. He also made some poor decisions that led to his and his programs downfall. A good AD hires the football coach. Thats it. Hes not meddling. Hes not getting into the weeds. Again, SHOULD the AD and Gundy have had the foresight to see what was coming in terms of front office structure? I guess to an extent. But…to blame my poor performance on the guy who hired me is a wild take. But its typical for a few on here that cannot see the failures and achievements of Gundy
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Youre wasting your time with him, as am I. He is one of those Gundy guys who wont see the other side of the fence. Gundy was running his program as he wanted, which is a right that he EARNED. He also made some poor decisions that led to his and his programs downfall. A good AD hires the football coach. Thats it. Hes not meddling. Hes not getting into the weeds. Again, SHOULD the AD and Gundy have had the foresight to see what was coming in terms of front office structure? I guess to an extent. But…to blame my poor performance on the guy who hired me is a wild take. But its typical for a few on here that cannot see BOTH the failures and achievements of Gundy.
Hes the same guy who was screaming to me on here about how illegally the administration at OSU was working to hire a coach. How interviewing and negotiating with Morris was unethical and illegal. He is to the pro-Gundy side as a couple fools are to the anti-Gundy side.
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Hey champ,
That’s literally how the world works in every organization. People are responsible for the performance of the guys they hire and retain. It’s your job to hire the best, equip them for success, and hold them accountable. People are also responsible for their own performance. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.
You keep ignoring this, but one reason this is bigger than the coach is that the GM role needs to cover every sport. Football needs a dedicated GM. The other sports probably need a couple guys collectively, maybe one to cover all other men’s sports, maybe one to cover all women’s to set and negotiate “salaries”. There needs to be higher level coordination between donors, the collective, the coaches, and players. I assume if this isn’t already happening, it will.
Again, youre assessing this GM hire from a Macro perspective. The original opinion piece centered around OSU and Mike Gundy. Weiberg. The OSU Football structure. The football decisions were being made by Gundy. You CAN see it. You just refuse to do so. THIS ISNT THE REAL WORLD. College Football programs arent ran the same way. Mike Gundy ran that football program. You cannot be that naive to think otherwise. The power structures are set up the same at these universities on the face, but are ran differently. Kirby Smart runs everything in Athens. Saban did too. Gundy did when Boone was gone. Stoops/Boren/Castiglione did in lock step. Texas is ran by the boosters. A&M is too. Your real world analogies do not apply in the college football world. Gundy failing is not the fault of his AD. Thats an absolute falsehood
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All right well. Agree to disagree, I guess.
Yes, he’s right and you’re wrong. Let it go, and let’s enjoy the ride, should get a whole lot better! 
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I would beg to differ. There is some degree of folks talking past each other here but anyone who thinks that Gundy made EVERY decision regarding Athletics when it came to football is probably wrong. I can’t know for sure because I wasn’t there but the probably is around 99% IMO.
Oh you disagree with someone who thinks Gundy mismanaged or did something that contributed to his downfall? Thats the least shocking thing I can think of. To think that Mike Gundy or someone with his longevity/tenure was getting micro-managed means that you dont know the Athletic Dept works. There is really nothing in Mike Gundys history that would lead someone to believe that he would welcome a GM coming in and formulating his recruiting strategy. Telling him who they were going to prioritize in the portal. Gundy would not have in any way been ok with that. But if he had wanted it, he wouldve gotten it. OSU just hired a GM in the Morris regime. So to think that Gundy couldnt have gotten one too if he wanted…makes no sense either.
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