If we hit a Dark Age, we’re going to weed out a lot of fans, probably. The one bright spot will be you making up excuses.
What does that even mean? What is “the football program”? A logo, a color scheme, and some chants (that you don’t even know because you aren’t an alum)? What makes no sense is saying you like a football program but hate the biggest single person in its history. He was there for literally a third of OSU’s wins in our 100+ year history. It’s just some dopamine drip for you, you have no respect for the institution.
I support my family because they’re my blood. I support America because it’s my native land. I support Oklahoma because I was born and raised here. I support Oklahoma State University because it’s my alma mater.
I think Japanese culture is cool. I don’t root for Japan in the Olympics. I’m not going to go buy some Team Japan merch. Thinking samurai and ninja are cool doesn’t earn my loyalty.
But ok, let’s say Oklahoma State is a brand that you can just adopt like Pepsi or Ford. Do you know what I do when Ford’s quality slips or Pepsi changes their formula and I stop liking it or getting any joy out of it? I’m not like some idiots who keep supporting those brands and complaining about them because they made some stupid logo part of their identity based on the fact that they liked it for a minute. Rational people let them go and move on because you have absolutely no real tie to that brand. This guy has done nothing but gripe and moan about this team for YEARS. Move the @#$% on. It’s a real decision to move on from one’s family, or home, or even your school if they make you unhappy. You might suffer through a lot and weather the storm because those things are a part of you and they shaped you and you don’t want to lose them. It is not a hard decision to move on from a freaking logo.
AMEN!! To take a dump on a guy simply because he didnt graduate from the same university as you did is a dbag move. And based on his posts…there is PLENTY of other stuff to dump on him for 0;
I don’t make excuses for mediocrity. In case you hadn’t noticed. I also said fire Boynton if he didn’t do well in 2023. I’m not the one saying Gundy should’ve stayed because of previous “success” or until the end of the season. So I have no clue what the hell you’re talking about.
Have you not read any of my other posts? Go ask Ketchup what I said about Gundy. I said Gundy was “good for a time” and the expectations of OSU football have changed in thanks to him.
However, that doesn’t excuse him for piss poor coaching and complacency over the last couple of years. If he’s burnt out and has no desire to win the conference he doesn’t need to be on the sidelines.
I’m glad that Gundy got the program to where it is. However, we don’t need to return to the 90’s, and that’s what was happening with him still here. Even your own assertions keep being proven false week by week. Instead of owning it you’re deflecting it like a teenager.
Been supporting Cowboy football since 1991. I guess I could’ve been a Sooner fan like 90% of my family. Nope!!! Didn’t do that. I support the actual football TEAM and not just the coach!!! I want the football team to be BETTER than it was before. While you come in here (as an alum) and try to spew your mediocrity BS agenda to everyone. So who’s truly a real OSU football fan?
1.) Your brain is broken. You just got through telling me that you did, in fact, support the coach.
2.) You don’t support the team either. One of your gripe about Gundy is that he doesn’t recruit well. Does that not mean that you think our players also suck?
What about the team do you actually support? You hated the coach for the last 20 years. You think the players suck. What do you actually like? Go be an OU fan. Sounds like you’re just an OSU fan to be that loudmouth contrarian, i.e. the same way you act here.
Regardless of what anyone says in general bandwagon fans are different than Alum fans. My only real experience with bandwagon fans is those of the OU variety. Again in my experience most of the OU bandwagon fans I have run across are aholes but there are exceptions of course. To this day I don’t think I have ever run across an OSU bandwagon fan except for maybe @bill18. I know they exist but I guess living in Texas makes the chances of coming across one less. The other thing about OU bandwagon fans again for the most part is that they have no love of the university other than the football team. For Alums, at least OSU alums, the relationship is much more than football and at a totality different level.
I did until 2017. When he decided he needed more money for not meeting expectations. All that told me is he wasn’t real serious and complacent.
I think some are good, and some aren’t. I think this season has proven my statement to be factual. However, I think when you have chitty coaching and average players you end up in the position they see themselves today. I think a player can become good over time. We’re just not in that situation now. The portal is a real thing and Gundy’s philosophy of development isn’t going to match the current situation. Which is one of many reasons he was fired.
The issue is if you suck then you suck. The truth hurts but needs to be heard at the same time. I told you I believed getting players from Piss State, UTEP, and Charlotte might come back to haunt us. I’d rather be brutally honest than try to be a good liar.
Go be a Tulsa fan. You sound like an arrogant and prideful fool like our previous HC that loved mediocrity.
A program creates bandwagon fans basically in 2 ways:
Win. A Lot. - Well OSU has won exactly won conference title ('11) in my 50 years of existence, and we reside in a state whose other school has won 7 Nattys.
Be a fun and exciting (or unique) brand that wins ‘enough’. Boise State, for example with their blue field and exciting offense, or Oregon with their chrome lids, uniform wildness, and a fun to watch offense. Even Tech, with Mike Leach’s wide-open, “try to score 100” offense was building that bandwagon. But this only lasts for as long as you can sustain it.
OSU was on that path once. We had a good amount of bandwagon fans. Not as much as OU, but many. We were following the Oregon path. Cool uniforms, explosive offenses, exciting football. We even had our YouTube moment, with the “I’m a man, I’m 40” speech. But for the past 6 to 7 years, we’ve slowly stepped more towards complacency. We’ve become boring. We punt on 4th and 2 from the opponents 45. We have more 3 and outs than scoring drives. Why would someone with no ties to Oklahoma State be interested in that (other than an Iowa fan maybe?) And when it came time to refresh the program because it had become boring, we go out and hire 2 60 year old ‘has-been’ coordinators. Boring doesn’t attract bandwagoners. And we’re gonna need them if we don’t want to become Oregon State in 5 years.
Why is a “bandwagon” fan’s emotional (and financial) investment into a university any different than an alums? Is your 5-6 hours spent on a Saturday watching the team any more emotionally relevant because you may have paid the school a little tuition money? So if someone grew up a Barry Sanders fan, and lived & died for OSU, but chose to go to Embry-Riddle because their Aerospace engineering program was slightly better than OSU’s non-existent one, can they no longer love OSU as much as you?
They’ll never be able to see it any other way. They can’t imagine by any means that their perspective could possibly be wrong. The alum argument is nothing more than a cheap trick because they keep getting proven wrong for the last 365+ days. It’s more of being angry at the person that said “I told you so” and not acknowledging they were wrong in several areas.
I can’t speak for anyone else but for me my love for the school and memories there I’m much more vested in us being relevant in football, basketball, both women and men, all the sports. If you’re a bandwagon you are only for football, the rest you could give a chit I’m able to recognize when wheels are falling off. But you won’t see me posting every other post about how sorry it is and bring it up in a basketball article. I’m not blind to a failure so I stay the course until administration calls for a change
I didn’t need your spiel again. My point is that you’re such a fan, but what do you actually support about the team other than this nebulous, intangible concept. You run down the coaches, the assistants, and the players. The team is just some abstract idea to you.
Because I am always an alum. Nothing changes that. Even if I didn’t care about sports, they’re still “my team” when someone hears where I went to school. I have a history there. I have perspective. It just is. Sure, I’m happy when we succeed and frustrated when we lose, but I’m not in it for the endorphins. If it’s just something you chose to follow for the feels and that thing is just giving you bad feels, then shove off. Why sit here to b and moan about it over and over? If you loved Barry Sanders, awesome. Keep the memory. Why does that mean you should be here screaming into the void because you don’t like the coach?
I support them getting the type of coaches they deserve. Not one that’s concerned with himself and his own image for the entire nation to see. A coach that’s more worried about coaching them rather than complaining about NIL. I support them having a generous donor base, and not have to worry about a coach pissing the donors off. A fanbase that will support them and a great coach. The team not having to worry about if their coach is going to say something controversial about the fans because he failed to do his due diligence.
I do? I feel like I’m telling the truth based on recent results .
So you’re saying that people who aren’t alums of OSU are better fans than you? Because it’s obvious they aren’t content with chitty football. Weiberg is an alum, and he obviously wasn’t satisfied with chitty football. However, you as an alum seem to be implying that you don’t care either way. You’re literally just here to argue with people? Thanks for being honest .
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