10 Thoughts on Oklahoma State's 39-31 Victory against Arkansas

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Facts!!!

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Sure would be nice if that could result in actually winning the conference again.

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After the South Alabama/ Iowa St games last year OSU was 2-2 and it was hard to see if the Cowboys would even have a postseason. Then OSU reeled off 5 straight wins, including a memorable bedlam game and made the CCG. All these fans who are projecting our season after the second game, don’t know how our season will actually end up. The extreme criticism of Bowman is completely disregarding that he accounted for 86% of the Cowboy offense. It’s not Bowman’s fault that the run game is mired in mud. The lack of a run game will make any quarterbacks job a lot tougher. He was at his best last year when we had balance on offense. Was he great no, but he made plays when had to. OSU had several big plays called back especially in the red zone, yes his Unsportsmanlike Penalty was one of them, but the penalty on Schultz wasn’t the QBs fault. Fans who clamor for Flores without ever witnessing a practice or being in the Qb room is just typical speculation that the best Qb is sitting on the bench.

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I don’t understand the anit-Bowman crowd. I get some of the complaints on here…just not that one.

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I don’t believe anyone has said they will. All I’ve said is you can’t continue to play that way and expect to make it to Arlington. You might be able to pull that off against the 13th best team from the SEC, and we’ll see where Arky ends up this season. However, you’re not going to pull that off against Utah or on a road trip to Manhattan.

I don’t care if both those teams didn’t look very good this week. They have talent and they’ll change things up when they need to. My concern is our coaching staff being reactive instead of proactive. We did this a lot last season as well. We’ve got to be drastically better in the first half of games.

I don’t think anyone is blaming Bowman for the run game. That goes on the coaches and our OL for being predicable and soft. My issue with Bowman is to not act stupid on the field. He’s not Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson. You can do that when you’re good. Bowman is not even close to being that good.

That’s also goes on coaching. You’ve gotta teach disciplined football especially when you’re that close to scoring in a game like this. Our red zone offense has been bad enough in the past. Coaches need to teach players weren’t not good enough offensively as we were in the past to do stuff like that and get away with it.

I’m not sure who would be better because I never get to see our options. Of course, we’ve made this mistake in the past multiple times where the best QB was on the bench. So I can’t blame some of the fans for having speculation. If a third stringer from Michigan is our best option then we need to do some serious recruiting in the QB department or fire our QB coach for not doing his job.

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Hey champ,

Do you mean the 13th best team that you hyped up all week by telling us how they only lost to Bama and LSU by 3 points each? Just remembering this as I’m going through all my receipts.

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Yes. Every now and then a team has its day. Arky had it with LSU and Bama. Not like how South Bama and UCF had it with OSU. Even while playing one of their worst games they still played us close. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about our South Bama and UCF games though.

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This is the kind of delusional comments you make. “I don’t think the coaching staff looks at it as a serious problem.” You have never attended an OSU coaches meeting. You don’t go to practices. It doesn’t matter what side of the fence you stand on the coaching staff, every staff evaluates film and discerns why breakdowns during a game happen. Was it player performance? Was it the opposing player performance? Was it scheme? etc

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Its not that people don’t see it. Its just that too many fans are satisfied with making a bowl game. They’ll gladly give up championship aspirations to not risk returning to the Bob Simmons 4-7 days.

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How do you believe the fans have any control over the outcomes of games or who coaches the team? Weiberg is not going to fire Gundy when he would owe him $17M and next year he is trying to figure out how to pay athletes more money next year.

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Regarding this recent game?

Depends to be honest. The coaching staff is supposed to place the players in the best possible position to win the game. Your players can’t perform well at something they’re not good at. We didn’t do that until we were towards the end of the third quarter.

Arkansas literally had two players that gouged us. The QB and RB. Luckily ball security and penalties don’t seem to be a concern in Fayetteville, as well as field goal kicking.

Our defense proved they couldn’t stop EITHER the pass or run. As I said in another thread. You might as well rush six defenders and gamble with your coverage on 3rd and long. If you can’t stop the pass with 7-8 in coverage you might as well try to plug the run at least.

Arkansas was getting 10 yard gains or more up the gut and opening huge gaps. Might as well stuff it or bring pressure on the QB. We didn’t do that enough imo. Of course, since implementing the 3-3-5 it doesn’t surprise me. In order to run an effective 3-3-5 you need at least one NFL caliber Defensive Lineman up front. We don’t have that at all. The reason Iowa State got away with their offshoot of a 3-3-5 was because they had Will McDonald in the middle of it all (15th pick overall).

aix_xpert Made a great point in another thread. Dickey and Dunn aren’t compatible or complimentary to each other in scheming for the run game. I honestly think receiver is the strength of this team and we need to spread out more. That proved to be effective late in the game and even Gundy himself said this before the season started.

Even though it wasn’t as bad this game compared to others we literally have almost no red zone offense. That was better in the fourth quarter, but why we wait around for three quarters to figure that out is beyond me. They had to of known that Arkansas was going to force Bowman to beat them before the game even started. I said this is an earlier post. For whatever reason Dunn’s scheming against OU has been pretty good, but if it’s any other team it just seems to be predictable and lethargic.

I think everyone is missing the overall point here though. We just had the second worst team from the SEC (according to last year’s results) come in here and double OSU on yardage and made it look easy. Had it not been for the second worst SEC team playing what might be one of the worst games of their season (in the special teams and turnover categories) they’re more than likely walking out of Stillwater with a double digit victory.

That tells me more about the current state of a supposed Big 12 title contender than it does about an SEC bottom dweller. Maybe I’m wrong and Arkansas pulls off a 7-5 or something. Time will tell. I’m glad we’re 2-0 and not 1-1. However, I’m not going to remain ignorant to the fact that our coaching staff and program has some huge problems that need to be solved in a hurry. Jim Traber said the exact same thing yesterday.

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We don’t have to validate anything lol. Gundy has validated it the last 20 years. He’s not good enough. Plain and simple. Just another year of more settled dust in the trophy case. Lots of participation trophy’s in their but that’s champion ship case hasn’t been open since 2011 one time in 20 years. You guys can spin it how you want but in the real world that’s called not good.

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I think it’s funny when you guys get mad that OSU didn’t win by enough points.

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Because it matters how much you win by.

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Chris is cool with going 2-2 to start off the year? And happy that they reeled of 5 wins and ultimately no big twelve championship and no playoff. This gets people excited? This is winning?maybe this generation doesn’t know what winning was supposed to be. Not sure this generation knows up from down. Crazy. It’s a football game! The coach gets way overpaid millions of dollars to beat the other teams and play for championships! That’s it. Gundy has failed at that. It’s the truth. I don’t care if you don’t like it. It’s a GAME. Gundy needs to be fired. It’s been time to move on years ago. SOS.

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Hahahahaha, that’s funny.

This generation? I’m 57
Hahahahaha

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You might want to pay attention to what my post says. It’s not about OSU “not winning by enough”. It’s the fact that one of the bottom dweller SEC teams had to lose the turnover, special teams, and penalty battles badly just so OSU could win in OT on their own field.

Having zero points, 77 yards, and 0-6 third down conversions on offense in the first half of a football game is completely unacceptable. Especially when you have the 15th highest paid OC in the country. As an OSU fan you should expect better results, and no reasonable person would blame you for doing so.

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We offer contract extensions with more money too when we don’t meet expectations at the end of the season.

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So you expect better results…what are you going to about it?

The penalty battle? Arkansas had 7-71 and OSU had 6-60 and OSU had a TD wiped out and a 10 yard unsportsmanlike penalty in the red zone.

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Hey champ,

The only way you can make your voice heard is to stop watching the games instead of hate watching every game and driving up engagement on a fansite. That’s the limit of your influence and you will never use it, so why not just spare everyone? Hope that helps.

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