Yes, they do. The targets have long been Colorado, Zona, ASU and Utah.
You know I respect your opinion on here, so donât take this the wrong way. The SEC with OU & Texas is much, much different than the current Big 12 with Arizona/Arizona St.
And the original stance the poster took was how the Big 12 didnât want BOTH Arizona schools. My question is why not? What does one bring that the other doesnât. If the Big 12 took ColoradoâŚâŚyou bet your balls itâll take the Arizona schools.
I donât disagree with anything you said. Completely understand. Nebraska isnât leaving the Big 10 & those dollars. The Big 12 is currently looking as though itâs gonna put this thing back togetherâŚâŚbut itâs still got to reel in a big fish before itâs going to be a real player. Oregon right now is likely trying to get to the Big 10 due to a bigger payday & having USC/UCLA with em.
I agree entirely that the two conferences are different in terms of the strength of the team brands. Iâm simply saying that a precedent has already been set of taking 1 but not both of state schools. SEC did it by taking OU and not even so much as offering OSU (completely fair and within their right), so why doesnât the new Big 12 have the right to say âWe want UA but we arenât even gonna offer ASU.â? Iâm not suggesting that it makes sense to go that route, but they sure can if they want to.
@travis5266 Of course they have the right/ability to do that. Again, my question was WHY would a Conf take one Arizona school but be set against the other? I donât understand why that would be the case in any situation. Theyâre the same thing. They bring the same thing. So why would anyone take the stance of âwe want one Arizona school. Thatâs fine. But two? We canât do thatâ
Going to the Big 12, which seems to be trying to stay afloatâŚâŚis not the SEC.
The SEC taking OU but not OSU, is not the same as Arizona/ASU.
Maybe they think that Arizona will draw better TV numbers than ASU. Enough so that itâs not worth cutting them both a piece of the pie. Definitely if Yormarkâs goal is to turn the Big 12 into the premier hoops conference of the country, I can see why he would want Arizona, but not ASU. Iâm simply stating that the overall concept of choosing one school but not the other does have precedent. I wasnât saying OU/OSU to SEC would be equal to UA/ASU to Big 12.
Does it have precedent though? Has one Conference chosen to leave a âsister schoolâ out? OU to the SEC is a much different circumstance. Honestly asking the question. I wouldnt even consider Texas/A&M because again, if Texas wanted to leave when A&M did, the SEC wouldve takent them. I just dont see any logic in why taking Colorado last weekâŚthen the Big 12 saying âwe will take only 1 Arizona schoolâ.
This thing is going to shake out with Oregon and Washington in the Big 10. They dont want to play in the Big 12, which they right now think is a lesser Conf. The ONLY way the B ig 12 gets Oregon and Washington is if the Big 12 gets either Utah and Stanford OR both Arizona schools beforehand
So you believe that Oregon and Washington are going to the Big 10 even though Big 10 officials have come out publicly saying that they are done adding teams for the time being as their hands are full integrating UCLA and USC?
I dont care what anyone says publicly. Remember what Beebe said about the Big 12âŚthen OU/TX leave? Remember what the PAC 12 Commish saidâŚand then Colorado leaves? Remember the BIg 10 saying they wouldnt play football during CovidâŚthen they played? Mike Gundy and Brent Venables both said they werent portal guysâŚonly to now be as active as any in the portal. If Lincoln Riley can choose to move his entire family and football future halfway across the country in the span of 6 hoursâŚso can a football Conf. People state whatever they want publicly. This thing is a very, very fluid situation
I donât disagree. The Buffs moving may have forced the B10âs hand and cause them to take on Oregon and perhaps Washington earlier than planned. This is assuming that Oregon and possibly Washington want to get gone before they are faced with signing a new PAC12 TV deal. But if the B10 stands by itâs words and closes the conference to new schools what do you think Oregon and Washington would do?
First off, I recall Pettit saying that the Big 10 âwasnt eager to expandâ. To me, that definitely leaves himself some wiggle room to allow it to be done. But again, i dont care what these guys say one day because the landscape changes so quickly. The Big 10 isnt closed at all. If Notre Dame comes callingâŚits open. The Big 10 will land a team/teams in the near future to go with USC/UCLA. Its not ifâŚits when.
âBut if the B10 stands by itâs words and closes the conference to new schools what do you think Oregon and Washington would do?â Oregon agrees to a short term, incentive laden, separate deal that includes some type of âextraâ or incentive stuff that is solely for them. Similar to what OU/TX received from the Big 12.
Notre Dame is the biggest fish out there. The ACC guys are all tied up, which rules them out for a while. Oregon and Washington are the next best options.
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Didnât Big 10 getting USC/UCLA kinda show they are predatory? Or was it more of a reaction to what OU and Texas did?
Different leadership. Warren was the guy when they got USC/UCLA. I think them putting out these statements that sound as if they donât wanna take/steal any teams is strictly to save a little face. The PAC & Big 10 have been partners through the Rose Bowl for a long time. That game, along with the people involved in it, are as traditional as college football gets. My guess is the fear of or hesitancy to publicly poach Oregon (which is the last thing that Conf has) is tied to them not wanting to be blamed for killing the PAC Conf & possibly the traditional Rose Bowl
I think the USC/UCLA move was initiated by those two, due to seeing the writing on the wall. Those two needed the Big 10 far more than the Big 10 needed USC/UCLA.
If Oregon wanted to go to the Big 12, it wouldâve already happened. The Big 12 would say yes immediately. The PAC is sinking quickly.
All of that makes a lot of sense. Iâd forgotten Warren was commissioner at the time. I also didnât think about the Rose Bowl connection. If the Pac is indeed crumbling, whatâs taking so long? Is Oregon basically holding 3 conferences hostage? That seems ridiculous, but appears true. Whatever happens next it just needs to be done and over with so we can move on and plan accordingly.
So it sounds like in your opinion Oregon would chew its arm off to avoid the B12. Thatâs too bad. As far as Notre Dame goes I doubt the B12 is wasting any meaningful time talking to them. Wouldnât be surprised if it was zero.
The Big 12 isnât talking to ND. Thatâd be like me or you taking a run at one of the Cavender Twins. We have as good a shot landing both of them as the Big 12 does at landing ND.
Oregon will only land in the Big 12 if the other two options are exhausted. Those options being joining the Big 10 or remaining with the current members of the PAC at a much higher percentage of the TV deal (if they can secure one).
Dominoes have to fall. If any one of Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Utah or the Zona schools leaveâŚâŚ.the chain reaction starts. My guess is that Yormark has some basketball Hail Mary heâs trying to throw, which may be slowing officially 100% offering the Zona schools. Oregon & the Big 10 (along with either Washington or Stanford is my guess) are waiting for someone else to jump so they can keep some realignment blood off their hands.
Arizona BOR meeting tomorrow evening (8/3) just scheduled involving Arizona and Arizona State.
Could be something. Guess weâll find out soon.