But, who in their right mind is going to consult him, or Dabo, or Saban, or any coach on how to effectively deal with this.
Absolutely agree here. No one in their right mind would follow Gundy’s opinions on how to effectively deal with this, but let’s keep in mind that a lot of people are not in their right mind.
No one is going to follow his cunsel on epidemiology, for crying out lous.
Here is where I vehemently disagree. Would anyone follow the medical advice of someone with zero medical training who says “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”? Clearly, yes. Many people are seeking counsel from those, like Gundy, who have no business making statements about the coronavirus. In fact, Gundy himself is probably getting his information from people no more qualified than him to talk about these issues.
He was voicing an opinion obviously many people share.
Yes, and an opinion that no doctors share. Let’s keep in mind that many people share the “opinion” that the Holocaust never happened, that smoking doesn’t cause health problems, and that head to head contact in football doesn’t cause concussions. Opinions aren’t magically valid because one person has them and a lot of people share them.
Gundy made foolish remarks that were ill timed, and he should have responded more like Weiburg and Boynton. He ought to be called out and ought to be held to a higher standard considering he is attached to an academic institution.
As a college football coach, it would have been a good opportunity for him to bring some attention to the way the virus is disproportionately killing African Americans, and why that’s happening…along with urging Oklahomans to take it seriously.
I realize that. The point is that the President (and Gundy, George Soros, or whoever you want) can say wacky stuff like that with no empirical basis and people will listen to them whether or not they deserve a platform to talk about epidemiology.
I could debate the “we need to get back to work sooner than later” opinion here – despite the fact that some Gundy’s other comments were far more off the mark – but I think it would be better to recommend you listen to what Drs. Michael Osterholm, Anthony Fauci, Jerome Adams, and plenty of other qualified people are saying instead. Hint: it doesn’t align with Gundy’s opinion.
I should have known better than to venture in the waters of the PFB Articles comment forum. I guess I had hoped it wouldn’t be full of “Done with this site!” people who never, are truly done with the site, because they like to get mad and yell.
Two things :
Does getting mad at stuff really cause alot of you pleasure? That seems exhausting to me. Why does an opinion piece about college football cause so much raw emotion?
Those that are trashing the article, are you saying that you believe it’s ok to put kids in the line of danger because we need to make money? Because that’s verbatim what he said with his quote : “They are 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 years old and they are healthy and they have the ability to fight this virus off. If that is true, then we sequester them, and continue because we need to run money through the state of Oklahoma.”
If you really, truly, are ok with that, then that tells me all I need to know about you and an internet conversation really isn’t going to solve anything.
You know, you are allowed to be a fan of OSU, and not want Gundy fired, and also state that you are embarrassed by, and disagree with his comments. That can happen.
Saying ‘…and they know it.’ right after accusing someone of something is intentionally unfair and that person knows exactly what THEY are doing. That person should also…be better.
Clearly some aspects could have been worded better but you’re picking apart a clip of his statements. In which he also talked about having broad testing abilities that would even start the whole thing and getting the ok from health professionals. He obviously cannot and would not put the players at risk if the state, school, NCAA, and big 12 gave the go ahead. So the assumption and trying to say he would by picking that aspect out isn’t fair to the whole statement.
Honestly, I don’t really care much about the stuff that came before or after it. I wasn’t a fan of that sentence, and I was a little embarrassed he said that. If I say something terrible but then have qualifying statements before or after it, I still said something terrible, ya know?
I mean, he literally said they can fight it off, and we need to make money. That’s literally saying they could possibly be in danger but let’s get out there.
To be clear…I’m not mad about it. I just was not a fan of that statement.
But I’m ALSO disappointed in articles like SI that take it farther and bash the city of Stillwater, it’s fan and alumni because they have an axe to grind with Gundy. Which is what happened today.
I’m just saying contextualizing it certainly helps. Could we have done without it , yes, wish we could have. Point being is I thought PFB was above this type of stuff but I was wrong. I’m in the chamber because I obviously believe in what they have been doing and support them but to classify this as an embarrassment while also admitting he was allowed on the call and didn’t have full transcript before writing the article.
It’s sad to see but not surprising SI would write something like that but I don’t expect anything else.
Dude - I GET that. I’m just saying, he’s being castigated for having an opinion many others share. Yes, those guys you referenced are saying different things. However, many economists are saying things similar to what Gundy’s saying - in, albeit, much less…Gundy-esque terms.
And, truth is, there ARE many highly respected doctors and scientists who DO say things similar to what he’s saying.
I’m not saying ANYONE’S right or wrong. Fauci, Adams, Dr. Shiva, or Dr. Seuss! We don’t have enough usable info yet. I agree with these medical cats’ advice - stay away from others, wear masks, all that. I’m just saying Gundy has a not-so-unusual opinion and he voiced it - so now he’s getting killed for it.
Well written article Kyle. When you hit a nerve, like you see in these comments, it shows how polarized our society has become. When the complains are personal or dismissive all that needs to be said has been said.
Kyle disagreements aside, I apologize for anything that came across as a personal attack. Also I have seen some talk about threats and I’m sure some things off color said towards you. I appreciate what you do and try to do for Oklahoma state. Hope your family is safe during these times and we can get back to what we all love sooner rather than later.
This article is an embarrassment to PFB. You don’t wait until the crisis is ended to decide what to do when the crisis does end. The planning for the end of WWII (what to do with Germany and Japan after the surrender) started in 1942. The planners did not wait until 1945.
The plans for Gundy is talking about might be pushed out for weeks or even months, but the planning needs to start now…don’t wait until it is over.
As for the PC Police getting all upset about “Chinese Virus,” what planet have you been living on? It came from either the Whuhan markets or the bio weapons labs in the area. If you want to strictly follow the Chinese Party line (propaganda) so be it, but don’t make a fuss when people speak the truth.
I understand what he was trying to say. His choice of words could have been better on a few sentences, but will always look bad in twitter when snippets are taken to throw someone under the bus. It’s interesting that Stephen A. Smith had a controversial segment the same day stating that people will soon riot if they cannot get back to work. I totally get what he was saying. The rich can hunker down for months with no problems, but the blue collar workers are going to suffer if we don’t get this whipped and get people back to work. Let’s take April and then start getting back to work at least to some extent. Obviously, if masks need to be worn, skeleton crews to start, no fans in stadiums for awhile, whatever we need to do to get $ flowing back to the people that need it.
i live in hawaii, i get the vast majority of my oklahoma state info here on this site, or on other various media sites, but i usually have to seek it out, it doesn’t just come to me. and because of the strange no sports circumstances of late, i haven’t exactly followed sports lately, much less osu sports.
although when i’m working throughout the week, i do have to drive a lot from job to job, and i still sometimes tune in to cbs sports or espn broadcasts on the am radio. even though there are no sports on right now, it’s a habit and something else to listen to other than corona virus news.
first thing i hear today when i turned on sports radio … something about gundy and oklahoma state. i was excited for a brief second, until i realized they were painting us in a very bad light and apparently raking us over the coals. reception is bad here, and the AM station was going in and out, in and out…but i could tell it wasn’t good.
that was on tiki and tierney. later in the day, the following broadcast painted gundy in a similar light, echoing the same refrain
i’m a gundy fan personally, i have been since i was like nine (and i’m now 40, how ironic)
but today (or yesterday) it was a bad look. right or wrong it brought a lot of bad publicity our way. because, i’m way out here in hawaii…and (not once, but twice) today i heard this exact take on the story told to me over the radio.
