Originally published at: https://pistolsfiringblog.com/where-the-oklahoma-state-football-job-ranks-among-current-openings/
Comparing OSU to the other open jobs.
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Excellent analysis
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“In 2024, Gundy made $7.75 million, which would rank 22nd in the nation and second in the conference behind only Deion Sanders.”
Just to go 0-9 in the conference.
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Gotta think too which job would allow for the longest leash. Considering the mediocrity OSU has put up with the last 5 years or so that has to give any potential coach confidence that one bad season won’t be cause for immediate firing like PSU. Similar salary to say Penn St with half the pressure. May be a priority for some coaches…
I think a comparison of Mike Gundy and James Franklin is interesting. First off, I agreed they both should have been fired in the end.
Franklin: .697 winning %
Gundy: .653
Conference Titles
Franklin 1 in 12 seasons
Gundy 1 in 21 seasons
Record vs Ranked teams
Gundy 40-45 .470
Franklin 16-29 .355
Record vs Top ten teams
Gundy 11-21 .343 (started 1-8)
Franklin 4-21 .160
Record vs Rival
Gundy 4-15 vs OU
Franklin 1-10 vs Ohio St
Record vs secondary rival
Gundy 9-10 vs Texas
Franklin 3-7 vs Michigan.
In the end I think Gundy did more with less than Franklin did at a much better program.
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Nice analysis, I would agree.
“Similar salary to say Penn St”…that is not the case. Gundy was higher up on the food chain than any OSU that they hire will be. Penn St and OSU will not be paying their next HC “similar” salaries.
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This is an interesting exercise but it has flaws. UCLA and Arkansas may be better programs overall, but the opportunity to win is more limited. I would expect the Bruins to go down a similar path as Arkansas has in the SEC. Tough conference and somebody has to lose. When the latest round of realignment happened, I said UCLA will be in trouble.
“Similar salary to say Penn St”…that is not the case. Gundy was higher up on the food chain than any OSU that they hire will be. Penn St and OSU will not be paying their next HC “similar” salaries.
Arkansas is a better job than OSU, in large part due to Conf affiliation. UCLA is up for debate due to where that program ranks within their Conf. But, its got an unbelievable recruiting base and is definitely willing to swim on some level in the NIL waters
“When the latest round of realignment happened, I said UCLA will be in trouble”. You were wrong. They got swooped up and landed in one of the 2 Gold Mines (Big 10). They are now lower on the totem pole in this Conf than they were in the PAC 12…but that doesnt mean theyre in any kind of trouble. Conf realignment has helped them (and any program that was swooped up by a bigger player than they originally were)
Regarding Arkansas, that’s what I’m saying. They may have more resources but they in conference that is limiting their wins. That’s the issue.
Regarding UCLA, again they get a bigger payday but they are lower down the totem pole that will result in more losing seasons than they accustomed. I’m saying that UCLA will probably follow a similar path that Arkansas did. In the last 35 years Arkansas has had 16 losing seasons since joining the SEC. The prior 35 years Arkansas only had 5 losing seasons. So sure they are in a better conference and get more money but they lose more often. Arkansas has yet to win a SEC title in football, whereas in the prior35 years in the SWC they won 10 titles. I think UCLA is in a similar situation. So you can point to money and all that but wins and titles are the success of a program.
Sure UCLA is in a better position than say Cal, Stanford, Oregon St and Washington St, but I’m not convinced they are in a better position than Utah, Arizona, Arizona St and Colorado. Arizona St has already won a title and made the CFP last year. It will much harder for UCLA to attain either one of those just like Arkansas.
Heck UCLA had not won the PAC 12 since 1998….good luck in the B10
Boise St has won how many Conf titles? You dont think theyd do ANYTHING to get into one of the Power 4’s? UCF isnt going to go undefeated again, yet they jumped at the chance to get into a better Conf. TCU won 17 Conf Titles prior to jumpin into the Big 12 and have won 1 since. You think that means they arent better off within this Conf than they were prior? Same for Baylor. OU won the Big 12 14 of 28 times and they wont sniff that in the SEC. You think that means they shouldve stayed in the Big 12? You think OSU wouldnt jump at the chance to get in the SEC or Big 10 if they could? That is a terrible argument that holds no weight. UCLA is in better shape today than anyone not named Notre Dame that isnt in the Power 4. Period. You think A&M regrets going to the SEC? Theyve not won the Conf title. Again, thats a ludicrous argument. UCLA is in FAR better shape by being a bottom half of the Big 10 than any of those programs that got left behind during the last rd of realignment.
See now you are switching it. Group 5 to P4 makes all the sense in the world because of easier access to the CFP. In the B12 a team just has to win its conference, but in G5 it has to be the best team in 5 conferences.
Arkansas is 104-162-2 (.390) in SEC conference games. In the SWC they were 114-56 (.670) the last 34 years of that conference.
Financially they are in better shape, but losses are huge in comparison.
How has all that prestige helped Arkansas the last 34 years? No titles. -58 games in SEC play. No playoff appearances.
A similar fortune awaits UCLA.
I listed UCF and Boise St. Thats the only Group of 5 teams i mentioned. You have conveniently skipped the rest of the programs that I mentioned.
TCU won 17 Conf Titles prior to jumpin into the Big 12 and have won 1 since. Do you think that they are better off within this Conf than they were prior? Baylor won 10 prior to joining the Big 12. They since have won 3. Do you think Baylor was better off prior to jumping into the Big 12? Texas Tech won 11 prior and have since won 0. Were they better off prior? OU won the Big 12 14 of 28 times and they wont sniff that in the SEC. You think that means they shouldve stayed in the Big 12? You think OSU wouldnt jump at the chance to get in the SEC or Big 10 if they could? UCLA is in better shape today than anyone not named Notre Dame that isnt in the Power 4. Period. You think A&M regrets going to the SEC? Theyve not won the Conf title. UCLA is in FAR better shape by being a bottom half of the Big 10 than any of those programs that got left behind during the last rd of realignment. And you mention Arkansas going to the SEC…as if they would somehow want out of the SEC? Go ahead and answer some of those questions. Or, just answer this one question…
Would any of the programs I mentioned above decline an invitation to the SEC or Big 10? The answer is HELL NO.
Number one your first sentence is wrong. You said you only mentioned 2 G5 teams. You also mentioned TCU which was in the Mountain West. So you are not infallible. You don’t even know what you typed.
I’m just talking about football programs. Otherwise of course every school is going to follow the money to pay for non revenue sports.
Yes, UCLA needed the money to fund its Olympic sports, but its football program is not in better shape. Just look at Arkansas decline, -58 in SEC games. UCLA is in nomad’s land. They’re not going to win titles in the B10. Probably won’t even make a playoff unless it keeps expanding.
You are the most opinionated blowhard I have ever heard. You still think everyone on here needs your stamp of approval for whatever they write.
So I ask again…would any of those program turn down an invitation to join the SEC or the Big 10? The answer is unequivocally NO.
Even though you said “So you can point to money and all that but wins and titles are the success of a program.” TCU we can exclude. Along with Boise and UCF. USC isnt likely to win the Big 10 soon. Should they have stayed? NO. A&M? NO. Texas Tech? NO. OU? NO. Missouri? NO. The list goes on and on. What do you suppose Arkansas shouldve done?? Just stayed?? Dude thats ignorant. UCLA hadnt won their Conf since 1998…so they shouldve said “nah. I think well stay right where we are”. Again, thats ignorant. WOULD OSU JUMP TO THE SEC TOMORROW IF ASKED?? HELL YES
Yes, they would all go because they are slaves to money. The athletic departments are in bettter shape but the football programs are not. How is that so hard to understand. OU and Texas made great decisions to go because they are chasing National Titles. If OSU went to the SEC, they would be what in the bottom 25% of teams? Their record would plummet. It would be like the 1960s again.
I don’t have to have the same opinion as you. You just think you’re 100% right about everything.
Taking TV contracts and recruiting exposure out of the equation, has it helped OU to be in the SEC?
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