2008-loss means we don’t represent Big 12 South.
2010-loss means we don’t represent Big 12 South.
2011-win means win the conference
2012-loss cost us Big 12 championship
2013-loss cost us Big 12 championship
2014-win only got us to .500. before bowl.
2017-loss cost us Big 12 championship.
2021-win got us a spot in Big12 title game
2022-loss gave OU bowl eligibility
For OSU, it’s not worth it. Losing this game 85% of the time has caused us so much pain and frustration and disappointment. It has cost us dearly in terms of opportunities for conference titles. Winning this game 15% of the time does not give an equal amount of joy and happiness and pride.
I agree having the L almost always penciled in hasn’t done OSU any favors and I think this gives OSU an opportunity to move out from OU’s shadow. However now that OU is in the SEC if we lose it doesn’t hurt our conference standing and with the expanded playoff as long as we win the conference we’re in. For all of eternity OSU has needed to not play OU for a better chance at success, but now because of the expanded playoffs and no longer being conference foes it could be as beneficial as it’s ever been for OSU to play OU. It really is fascinating in my opinion.
@travis5266 I very much respect the conversation. Well stated.
None of those losses truly impacted the program. None. What if you had won those games? 2 of those 3 wins sent the Cowboys into the national discussion. They were a part of the biggest stakes in the programs history. Winning Bedlam gives a massive amount of momentum in the recruiting world, nationally, and likely is a major coup on the national stage. When OSU loses Bedlam……no one cares. It barely makes a ripple. When OSU wins Bedlam……it typically is the talk of this part of the college football scene.
Everyone dumps on Gundy because of his inability to win the big 12 championship but OU, which has had the 2nd or 3rd highest winning percentage in all of football the last 15 years had cost us 3 championships and 2 more appearances.
You’re still looking at this from an OU mindset. We’re 3-15 against OU since Gundy became HC. What does losing that game nearly every year do for the prestige of OSU football? That’s one win every six years. It changes absolutely nothing. OSU is not yet in a position where they are capable of being consistently competitive (from a winning standpoint) against BB’s.
OSU is not a school that gets the benefit of the doubt. Simply because they don’t have the tradition that Ohio State, Bama, Texas, Michigan, or now Georgia has developed. Maybe once they start winning more conference titles and playing in NY6 bowl games they will, but it’s going to have to be more consistent than it has been. Being 12-1 compared to 11-2 could make all the difference in the world should OSU find itself competing for a CFP spot in the future. Having an additional loss on the schedule for a program still trying to develop into a Top 15-20 team consistently every season doesn’t benefit them in any way currently.
Love how a journalist styles things. “Gundy effectively blamed”
It’s a fact that OU and Texas are leaving for the SEC. That they hid the negotiations and only came forward once someone leaked it. This is not in dispute. Had they not done this, Bedlam would continue. OSU had already scheduled it’s nonconference games for the next 10-15 years. As had OU. So Bedlam is dead and it is OU (and Texas) fault. Why act like there are two ways of looking at this?
Yeah I don’t understand how you can blame a program that decided to remain in the conference, and doesn’t have an obligation to change its schedule for you because you decided to leave and go after the money? The only reason OU wants this game to continue is because it’s a respectable win on their schedule and may leap frog them above other teams if they find themselves competing for a CFP spot. They end up reaping the benefits and OSU benefits nothing but a loss on the schedule while building its program. It makes no sense for OSU whatsoever.
“It’s a fact that OU and Texas are leaving for the SEC. That they hid the negotiations and only came forward once someone leaked it”
In what world do you live in that has negotiations held in public? That’s not how those go in any situation. Do HC’s update people on contract negotiations? Do Free Agents update the public on how the negotiations are going? The answer is no. Why you people are 1) upset/mad/troubled or anything by why a school would leave this Conf to go to EASILY the best Conf in college football or 2) think that OU/TX should’ve included the rest of the league in the negotiating process have zero clue how things go in the real world.
I never said it was wrong to negotiate in secret, just that they did it and we only found out when someone leaked it. All of that is completely factual.
Also never said I was upset/mad/troubled about OU leaving. Frankly, the more I’ve thought about over the last couple of years, the more I’m convinced it’s better for OSU and worse for OU in the long run, except for maybe the money. I was just stating the facts and that there is no question who’s to blame for there not being any more Bedlam after this year, and that it is OU. You can dance around the facts all you want.
I’m not arguing whether it could or couldn’t be a blessing. How it shakes out for all parties will be fun to watch.
My question to you is name me one program that is similar to OSU, that’s in a weak Conf, that is having the kind of success that most Cowboy fans want?
That is an untrue statement. There are benefits to playing the game if you’re OSU. If you don’t understand that……then this is an absolute pointless discussion.
I thought that the tv guys might have made it part of the deal. Osu and ou will both benefit from not playing
Its not about were getting a easier schedule. We got some big boys coming down the road.
K State has two conference titles in less than a decade. Baylor has three conference titles in less than a decade. Most OSU fans probably want to sustain the winning, but also have more than one conference title every twenty years. My guess would be at least to be a program that’s winning the conference every three years or so and going to multiple NY6 bowls while being in that CFP conversation.
I would assume that we want to be a closer version of what Clemson is like eventually. I also realize we’re not quite to that point yet. Winning conference titles and/or winning multiple NY6 bowls should be the next step.
@bill18 OU hasn’t won a playoff game. They just keep losing them. Do those losses still benefit the program? Absolutely.
OU/TX is a massive game for both OU & UT. Regardless of the outcome. Even if OU were to lose 80% of those games……it’s still a huge benefit to play it. It’s a marquee game.
Bedlam has been the site of Gameday & in prime time numerous times. Does that game, regardless of the outcome, still benefit the Cowboys? The overwhelming answer is absolutely.
There’s a big difference in losing in the CFP and losing a regular season game. It’s like I keep saying. You’re still looking at this from an OU perspective. There’s not as much publicity, and unless someone’s been living on Mars for the last 70 years, everyone in the country knows for the most part how this game ends annually.
Tell me how much Gameday has benefitted OSU since then? Almost none. More often than not they get their a55 kicked on national television. What benefit is there in that?
@bill18 Youre looking at this from strictly a W-L perspective. Thats as short-sighted as you can get. “tell me how much Gameday has benefitted OSU” You may wanna ask around the Athletic Dept about what the benefit is to having a week long infomercial promoting your university and program? Ask around how much revenue is brought in when Gameday is on site for a week? Ask around or google up “The College Gameday Effect”. OSU has been a part of 9 different Gameday’s & 7 of those were for Bedlam (The other 2: FSU @Arlington/Baylor @Stilly). OSU hosted on 6 occasions (5 were Bedlam/1 Baylor). I dont care what you say, the FACTS show that hosting that game is a big deal. For your University, your program, your revenue stream…for you to simply not understand that is a sign of absolute insanity.
Can OSU be fine without Bedlam? Absolutely. OSU doesnt have to have OU to survive and thrive. But, you cannot argue that the biggest showcase, biggest stage, most watched game has left your schedule. Go ask the OSU ticket office how they have packaged the Bedlam game to sell season tickets? Go ask them how that game being on the schedule effects their ability to sell tickets as opposed to when its not? For you to simply tie the impact of Bedlam to whether you win or lose that game is again, being a neanderthal.
Wins and losses matter more than you probably realize. Without OU in the way, how many more conference titles and NY6 opportunities could OSU have had? Several more. And those games do bring the national audience you are talking about. It’s a lot easier to get folks to renew season tickets coming off a Big 12 title than it is a disappointing season that includes yet another Bedlam loss. Especially when that loss is so costly towards team goals.
