Oklahoma State also listed Ollie Gordon at 211 during his Sophomore year, when it was clear he was much bigger.
You are looking at scouting services who list his last available weight.
Kaydin is probably 17 years old. If he has a growth spurt combined with lifting weights he could easily be 185. Did you just give him a physical? Or did you get weight from your connections in Lubbock, Arkansas, Nebraska, Norman and Stillwater.
Do you really believe every kid who is offered a scholarship to Alabama goes there? Some kids want to play right away, thatās not happening in Tuscaloosa unless you are a sure fire prospect. Some kids donāt want to move far away to play. Some kids just feel more comfortable at certain places.
But Captain Ketchup knows all. He can see into the future on which kids will be successful or not. Too bad you donāt have the same foresight on Wall Street or vs a black jack dealer.
Youāre right. Rather than trust my eyeballs, the Dir of Ops @OU that ran the Jr Day that Jones was at that I played college baseball with & was my Best Man, or the recruiting servicesā¦ā¦.ill take your word for it.
Also, thank you for explaining the recruiting world to meā¦ā¦as if I havenāt gone through it myself, with my oldest, & with several others every year.
Go Cowboys.
So you always right in recruiting observations? 100%
I have no clue what youāre even trying to say. Youāre in too deep a water with this discussion chief. Iāll leave you alone. We can check back in a few years & see whoās right.
All these answers and responses, yet you dodged my direct question: Being an NIL overpay (your words) requires there to have been a better alternative. Who would that have been that was a viable target for OSU?
Yea and more recently there are some new reasons not to go to bama. One is no coach Saban and their recent record hasnāt helped. Not saying that they wonāt be great in the future but the cracks are certainly starting to show.
I will say that regardless of what Alabama or OU or whoever thinks Iāve watched Kaydinās film and my untrained eye is not that all impressed. Iām guessing that the coaches are expecting him to develop into something good. Chances are that they are more right than me. I guess we will see.
Youāre not even comprehending what Iām saying. I just think itās funny that you contend that you already know the future of this 17 year old and what he will become.
Good job Captain Ketchup.
Justice Hill was only 11.09 coming out of high school
I have no clue who OSU/Gundy have on their big board of RB recruits.
But I assume youāve watched football. I assume you have an opinion on what the most valuable positions are currently on a football field. What % of your budgeted NIL are you willing to spend on a RB? Go down your list of what positions you feel are the most important. If you think RB is pretty highā¦ā¦& Kaydin Jones is worthy of getting the bulk of your allotted RB $$ā¦.so be it. Itās no argument (or shouldnāt be) that Jones committed to the highest bidder. Kudos to OSU. Again, donāt get wound up about what my opinion is. Letās just wait & see. Iāve said heās a decent player. Certainly not a 4 star in my eyes (& others at different universities who are far better football evaluators than I am). Recruiting is not a perfect science. Maybe heāll be a great player. If he is, then OU messed up & OSU will be right. If heās notā¦ā¦then Gundy & Co threw NIL at a very average player who is at a position that is far less important than a QB, LT, WR, CB. Seems pretty odd to me that a team with maybe no QB is paying above market value for a RB.
Thatās good info. I donāt think anyone has ever said that Justice was too slow.
Only problem with that Ketchup is we donāt have major bucks to waste on a mid tier rb, if Iām putting lots of money on one player itās QB
We have 4,one doesnāt cut it. Good kid but the others I donāt know. RB we have Fields who I think will win the job. The others Iām not impressed a lot. Jones is the only kid Iāve seen really interested. Coach Woz always came up
With a decent RB, donāt know about this staff
My point is we donāt have a chit load of money to be wrong 
Agree 100%. Well said
You are changing your tune here. Like yourself, I donāt know how much of the budget OSU has dedicated to RBs. I would hope its not as much as some other positions (such as edge rusher). But that wasnāt the question. Jones is likely the best RB that OSU is in a position to get in this recruiting cycle, and OSU needs a RB in every cycle. And as such, its hard to call that an overpay unless you know they had to dip into someone elseās budget to get him. The viable alternatives at RB (just look at who have reported OSU offer) arenāt statistically better than Jones is. You may be right that heās more Mike Hamilton and less Tatum Bell (other 4 star RBs weāve recruited historically), but Iād rather have Mike Hamilton than settle on a Justin Schwartz (for example).
@aix_xpert Changing my tune? How so? Kaydin Jones was valued higher/more by OSU than he was by any of the other people that were in on him. Again, I dont know the exact %ā in which OSU gives to a certain position. I dont know internally what Gundy feels is more valuable to his ballclub. Youre making this harder than it has to be. Mike Gundy & Co offered up a more lucrative deal than any of the other suitors. They got him. The other people involved didnt feel like he was worth that much. Therefore, compared to the market, OSU overpaid as of now in the eyes of people in the know. If somehow this RB ends up being the key to their ballclubā¦kudos to them. They were right and allocated their money more wisely than the others.
If youre selling Lemonade on the street and 9 cars come up and offer you $1. Then the 10th car offers you $20ā¦its safe to assume that that 10th car overpaid. Paying $20 for a glass of $2 Lemonade isnt justified simply because you were thirsty. This isnt a hard scenario to understand.
@aix_xpert You asked āBeing an NIL overpay (your words) requires there to have been a better alternative. Who would that have been that was a viable target for OSU?ā
I answered. āI have no clue who OSU/Gundy have on their big board of RB recruitsā
Then how can they have overpaid? Overpaying implies that they had a viable cheaper alternative available.
But NIL is more like a private or silent auction than a public lemonade stand. Does the guy who bids the most in a auction automatically overpay simply because he was willing to spend the most? You analysis doesnāt take into account the risk of opportunity loss of not winning the bid. So if OSU doesnāt have another equivalently talented RB on its radar, then paying enough to ensure that they win, is the appropriate action vs. risking ending up with nothing. To go to your lemonade stand analogy, if thatās the only lemonade available in the city, and the choice is $20 or nothing, then if youāre thirsty enough, the $20 isnāt an overpay. And OSU is thirsty for 4-star talent (with a solid list of legit football suitors).
Come on dude, this is not a complex theory were discussing. Im not āimplyingā it. Im saying it. Do I know exactly who Gundy/OSU has on their big board of RB"s? No. I dont. For you to think there is no other RB in the HS ranks that would be interested in OSU that would come at a cheaper price tag than Kaydin Jones is you being either obtuse or just ignorant. I dont think youre ignorant
Kaydin Jones is a RB in the 26ā cycle. No one takes just one RB in a class. Neither will OSU. To imply or insinuate that if OSU didnt get Jones that they ran the risk of āending up with nothingā is being quite dramatic.
The Cleveland Browns have been thirsty for a QB and have continued to overpay the wrong guy. There is plenty of lemonade to go around. Kaydin Jones isnt the lone option for the Cowboys