This is what oSu has been doing in the Gundy era. He admitted a long time ago he looks at the kids and how they act. How they interact with the coaches and their parents. He looks for respectful talent and great attitudes. He brings in good talent, instills the culture of oSu. Has them buy into the culture and work for their chance to break into the playing field. Turns them over to our drill instructor Rob Glass to mold them into great young men with respect. So now the others on here that think star power will win it all, will come out and start their screaming. I personally like the way Gundy runs the program. It doesnât matter how good a player is. If they play stupid games, they will win stupid prizes. Ask Tyreek HillâŚ
#GOPOKES!!
Itâs going to be hard to compete with the NIL money but in reality, we have been all along. Just now itâs out in the open.
I donât tweet or really ever look at Twitter, but this should be a viral tweet that gets posted everywhere. Great comment.
@beer Personality and team âfitâ aside, although it is very key IMO there is a school of thought out there about why schools with all the 4-5 star talent many times fail. The theory is that kids these days, with all the training opportunities that they have, that are 4-5 star have many times pretty much reached close to their athletic ceiling by the time they get into college. Many 3-2-no stars are kids that have yet to mature and are in for significant athletic gains after they enter college. Gundy and staff seems to have an eye for those 3-2-no star recruits who have a high ceiling for growth. Now why recruits work out or not is as simple as this of course but it seems to be a factor.
He watched the TCU game.
Virginia turned him into a strong draft prospect and now he is in the NFL. Gundy doesnât know how to coach TEâs. Well, I could have stopped at coach.
Gundy was Lesâ OC with Bajema. Only argument I could think of.
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The kid a few years ago at dallas got big bucks
I mean gundy would never target those kids. AM has a slew of character issues from all of those kids they bought. Gundy has made it pretty clear that if you donât fit the culture he wonât bring you in. Doesnât matter is you are patrick mahomes or justin jefferson. Gundy has made it clear that culture trumps all. I think is is noticeable as most of our 4 star guys in the since 2015 have transferred at some point.
I mean everything you said about the culture is spot on in terms of what Gundy values. However, no team has ever made the CFP without a 5 star on its roster. We have had tremendous success for what we do get. I think we should minimally be bringing in classes like that of last years, 6-8 4 stars with a bunch of high 3 stars. I feel we have had enough sustained success to be able to make that happen. If we could do that consistently, Imagine how dangerous we would be given what we have accomplished with less.
Thanks for this post. Iâve not heard this theory, but you know, it makes sense.
I agree, but have to believe these young men met the cultural fit, not just star ratings. The stars aligned. I know, I knowâŚ
Culture at osu gets you 1 championship in 18 years. That is the culture. Itâs called almost culture. Itâs funny when OU seems to struggle it seems to highlight gudyâs accomplishments. Truth is if OU isnât winning big twelve championships itâs someone other than osu.
OU started building their extremely successful culture back with Bud Wilkerson, starting in 1947. Following Wilkerson, the Sooners missed briefly on two successors before finding Chuck Fairbanks and followed by Barry Switzer. The culture by then was strong enough to survive the next three head coach mistakes before finding Bob Stoops.
The culture at OU had a running head start on OSU. OSU in the meantime started some consistent winning with Jimmy Johnson. The problem for us is we werenât considered a destination program. He left for a name brand. Pat Jones had off and on success, but didnât build a winning culture, certainly when compared to the Sooner machine rolling by then. Les followed and was gone almost immediately to a brand name program. Gundy followed. He took a different approach, recognizing how far behind we were in terms of culture and identity. His long term commitment to building a culture of winning started half a century after OUâs Wilkerson culture.
Jim Collins in his book Good to Great uses the metaphor of the flywheel when looking at businesses which sustain success long term. OUâs half a century flywheel is spinning strongly and will likely survive the Lincoln debacle. Culture matters. A lot. I think Coach Gundy is being patient and building a programâŚa cultureâŚto last.
Using Baylor as a recent example, I donât know if their culture of winning with compliance is established and built to last. Weâll see. Briles won, but turned out to be running a criminal enterprise with the wink and nod from a Baptist enterprise. Dave won last year, by inches, but isnât this year.
Anyone else notice the bickering and jawing among the horn players on the sidelines , even getting in a coaches face ? Gundy wouldnât put up with it 15 minutes after a game
@bruce4 I agree with the kid that hasnât reached his potential in high school : example Oliver, Ford
some kids just mature earlier
@alex2 there have been how many outsiders that have made the playoffs other than BB ? I can only think of Michigan St, Cincinnati, I probably missed a couple more. 5 star kids go where they think they will be a chinch to go to the draft. Many wonât have the work ethic Gundy gets from his kids. I want a kid that loves playing vs one that is entitled. Kids like JP, Greene , ⌠Johnson looks like a star in the making
I sure did. Respect is one of the facets of cowboy culture, something some of the Texas players obviously severely lack. Most donât realize it, including the Texas players, but Itâs also one of the reasons why they lost the game.
Actually true I forgot that Cincinatti broke the 5 star trend last year. That is true. Michigan State had some 5 star kids on roster the year they went. 5 star kids go where they can get the most tv exposure for the draft yes but now itâs whoever offers the biggest bag. Culture is very important and I think it is why we have been so successful while having less success recruiting. I just wish we would be more consistent in recruiting, getting at least a shettron or kendal daniels in each class is something I think our program deserves. It is too bad boone is gone, schools like TCU with that private school money and Tech with their huge NIL dollars are going to overtake us in the new B12 in terms of talent here in a few years.
@beer talking about books that go back to the pre-Wilkinson days of uO football, Jim Dent, in âThe Undefeatedâ explains how Wilkinson was able to build the culture in Norman, and it was with dirty $$$. He points out how Hank Iba (as the A&M athletic director) was approached by a group of wealthy oilmen and bankers, offering a slush fund with which to buy returning WW2 football stars, but Iba, which considered Oklahoma A&M to be a basketball school, rebuked them. So, these same men went down to Norman and found a willing George Cross and Jim Tatum who took their money and brought in the best players money could buy. (Similar to the current, legal, NIL payments to players.) Tatum of course left after one year for Maryland, and Wilkinson was hired, and as Dent explains opened up the lower desk drawer in his office and found the payola stash. Killer âBâsâ Sooner Magic was birthed and flourished through the Switzer and Bob Stoops era where players were still paid under the table.
I agree that T. Boone Pickens and Gundyâs hire, in history, will be considered the beginning of the Cowboys Culture.
Would Iba have taken the money if he had known that by NOT taking it, he was giving Goon a 50-year head start?
Iba really didnt care about football. At the time basketball and wrestling made more money.