If the Big were to cut 4 programs, youd be splitting that contract between 12 as opposed to 16. OSU could increase their payout by $10 mil or more. The Big 12 could cut 4 of these bottomfeeders and make more money. Why? Because the networks dont negotiate/pay based on those programs. They pay for the top end programs. But somehow you think a program like Arkansas is in trouble…but not Kansas. You think Kentucky is in trouble…but not Iowa St.
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The next TV contracts will probably not be with the conferences for Football. That is when the fat will be cut. The top 32-48 CFB teams will join together and leave the NCAA for football only. The remaining teams will still be in their respective conferences but with much smaller contracts. Unfortunate for the PAC12. and fortunately for the Big12 it survived the last round and that is where we agree about Yormark. His strategy to go early is what saved us with the backing of Media execs. His great at BD but you can’t be great at that job without the money behind you.
They $120 million going to 4 universities versus $100 million going to Illinois alone is a big ■■■■ difference. There is a magnitude of difference from cutting fat in the Big 10 and SEC vs the big 12.
Theres a lot to unpack here. If the contract is not made with the Conf’s…then who would the deals be made with? The only other option would be with the schools themselves, but that wont happen unless that school is an Independent. I wont argue that the NCAA as a governing body is potentially on shaky ground.
“Smaller contracts”…if you mean smaller payouts per team? No chance. None whatsoever. College football will thrive. The playoff is a great thing for the “have’s” and their pocketbooks.
Dude, im trying with you here. Youre gonna have to follow along. This entire discussion is based on you saying one Conf has “fat” while the other doesnt. The Big 10 has more money…and more fat. I will not argue that. At any point. You still are basing all of your opinions from the premise that somehow the Big 12 is a better Conf. The Big 12 indeed, has fat that could be cut that would increase the paydays of the remaining programs.
The big 12 is a better conference on the field top to bottom. The amount of fat you could find to cut is negligible that is why it isn’t being done. Ohio State is taking a huge haircut to pay for northwestern. OSU isn’t taking a huge haircut to pay for KState.
The Big 12 is a better Conf.,… at the bottom. Thats it. The top 6 programs are in the Big 10. If you want to say one is better and base it off of the bottom-feeders…so be it. I for one, choose to put more weight in having Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, USC, Washington & Oregon and their combined 10 CFP’s than I do in what Illinois, Maryland, Rutgers, Kansas and West Vir are
Smaller payouts for the teams not in the super conference. The stripped down version of the conferences probably won’t get more than $20MM per team. The teams in the super conference will make much more. Again, that is how the fat will be cut.
If this does go to Super Conf’s (which I can see), then agreed. But the big boys are still going to get paid…WELL. The TV dollars arent going to decrease for those guys. That isnt the “trimming of fat” that the initial discussion was referring to. The college football world do not care what the “have nots” do. Essentially its a “Group of 5” or a bunch of “Mid-Majors” that will be left out. That is undoubtedly coming.
Looks primarily like the typical East/West coast dominated narrative.
@bruce4 Give me yours.
Sorry really not smart or energetic enough to do an in depth job on something like this. My point is I could come up with the first 8 using just east/west coast bias and nothing else. Also I wouldn’t have Oklahoma State that far down the list and think TCU is too high but that is all that I will say as this rabbit hole is way too deep for me LOL. Cheers
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Well, it’s just an opinion brotha. I’m an Okie……so no coastal bias.
Why do you feel the Cowboys AS A PROGRAM should be ahead of Baylor and/or TCU? You didn’t mention either of those, just asking.
No problems there I respect your opinion and again given the factors that you posed I rank OSU higher and TCU lower but don’t have the energy or time right now to go deeper into the rabbit hole on this one sorry.
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@bruce4 Recruiting base: TCU with a clear advantage. Proximity to a base. DFW is easier than Stilly
Facilities: Even
Pay: Similar
Job prestige: Probably give a slight lean to TCU. Easier to get a guy to take the TCU job than the OSU one
History: Since joining the Big 12 in 2012, TCU is 87-53. OSU is 97-45. During that span, TCU has a Conf title. OSU does not. TCU has 2 Div Titles while OSU has 1. I think you have to lean TCU.
Going fwd: I think TCU is in a GREAT SPOT to potentially take hold of the new-look Big 12. I dont like where OSU sits right now.
Thats why I put TCU higher
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Ok since you did the work I’ll respond.
Facilities: OSU is the clear leader
Pay: Players or Coaches? LOL
Job Prestige: OSU without a doubt
History: Again OSU, TCU is catching up but not there yet
Going forward: again TCU is catching, OSU needs to get back in the game and it’s not too late yet.
Facilities…….you’re wrong. I’ve seen both. Been inside the guts of both. T Boone is a better fan experience & seats more. But the training/rehab/amenities for players is the same.
Pay: Well done sir. I LOL’d.
Job prestige: Stillwater is an outpost. Dallas V Stillwater? It’s a no brainer
History: you must be putting more weight into that Nat Title in the 40’s than I am. TCU has been in a Big Boy Conf for a shorter period……& has more to show than OSU/Gundy. Not sure how you give the edge to OSU. If you went strictly W-L since 05’…….TCU rolls.
Going fwd: Obviously it’s strictly opinion. I think TCU is in a prime position. I think OSU/Gundy is on shaky ground. Time will tell……
Good convo. Appreciate the discussion.
Facilities - I consider all the infrastructure which includes stadiums, et al.
Job Prestige - This to me is more about the school and the program rather than the location. Also DFW is a moon scape. I know I live there. I’d rather be in Stillwater
History - not even considering the 1945 title just the program overall primarily during the Gundy era as a player and a coach.
Going forward - I agree OSU is on shaky ground. If they don’t turn it around soon I will concede to your thinking.
History: The Gundy era as a player & coach spans over 20years. It has resulted in 1 Conf title. You say that’s a better resume than TCU’s??? Honest question. I feel like your answer is yes, so in nicest way possible I’m asking you to explain why?
Well I’m coming from perspective not stats. TCU has only hit the scene recently in my view. OSU has been in it for a lot longer. If you want to go the statistical route for evidence there are many to cherry pick from, as they say lies, ■■■■ lies and statistics. My number is the most wins in the last 10 years. The only mitigating factor to that stat is strength of the league each team plays in but in the case of the teams under discussion that point is moot. Too bad there isn’t an ANSI standard, or something similar, for criteria defining the best college football teams. Would be great to have that so we could fill this particular rabbit hole. But then again what would we do with ourselves if we couldn’t discuss/debate such things LOL. https://cfbsaturdays.com/most-wins-in-fbs-over-last-10-years/