Ou beats Gundy with or without a defense. Remember 2-14.
Just as a general question, how would you look at Gundy if he were, letās say, 7-9 vs OU? Letās assume 1 or two of those led to OSU either winning or making a conference title game since thatās typically the case almost every season. Would he be a top tier coach nationally? Again, his reoccurring issue almost every single year is falling just shy of a conference title or conference title game, which is almost always attributed to him getting beat in bedlam. So winning bedlam a few more times would have almost assuredly led to 1 or 2 more conference titles. Just interested in what you think.
I know u know ou facts rainman
If Gundy had beaten OU 5 times in the last 16 years and won 3 conference titles Iād be thrilled and want him to stay as long as he could stay competitive. Thatās with zero trips to the playoffs.
Tell me how you would rank the programs over the last 16 years.
Baylor
Texas
Texas Tech
K State
OSU
So I feel like Iām correct in assuming youād believe that heās a top tier coach, or at least on the border, if he had more bedlam wins, correct?
Hereās my point. The ONLY way firing Gundy for another coach would be the right move would be if OSU is able to land a coach that is both top tier across the board AND able to be the first coach in the history of Oklahoma state football to have some sort of an extended period of success against OU. If we can do that, or if you can think of a coach capable of that and willing to come to Stillwater, I am 1,000% on board. Iād say fire Gundy in a heartbeat. But if all of those boxes donāt get checked, itās a downgrade. Thatās what Iām afraid of. I could care less about Gundy being fired if it leads to positive change in results, but I honestly have no idea how many options there are out there that can check all of those boxes and would be willing to come to OSU over larger programs.
Well if you stretch it to 16 of course tech and Texas are higher on that list, and OSU is lower. But Iād give Gundy a few years to pull OSU out of annual repetitive misery first before judging his results. So, letās say the 2010ās maybe? Texas had a title birth in 2009 and has been dog water since.
OSU
Baylor
Kstate
Texas
Texas tech
Texas has had 7 wins against OU in last 16
K State has had 4 wins
Texas Tech has had 4 wins
Baylor has had 3 wins
OSU has had 2
Texas has had 2 conference titles
Baylor has had 2 conference titles
K State has had 1 conference title
OSU has had 1 conference title
Texas Tech has had zero
Iām just looking for results besides adding up wins against teams like McNeese State.
I just got done very clearly stating Texas and tech would be higher on the list and OSU would be lower if we counted Gundyās first years. Its a different ball game the past decade, 2010s. Also, beating Ou is not the tell-all of conference success. Just ask KSU how much beating OU last year helped their 4-5 season with no bowl game. Or their 5-4 conference record in 2019, etc. half of the wins vs OU you mentioned came from teams that finished toward the bottom of the league, which would include 2014 OSU.
You still havenāt answered my question about coaching possibilities.
Then forget OU and look at conference titles. Baylor has won 2 since 2010 (2010 is your year) and look where they started. Are you going to say OSU was worse than Baylor?
If you are happy scheduling and beating the worst non-conference schedule we can get and beating the bottom of the conference just to make it to a bowl, fine. Hereās to never beating OU or playing for a conference title!
Thereās also a really interesting article by the Associated Press I think that came out a few years ago after Clemson lost to Syracuse that goes into higher rated recruits statistically being less intelligent (leading to having a lower capability to stay engaged) than lower rated recruits on average, and how that equates to talent-heavy teams losing to lower tier teams fairly regularly. The article tries to explain how teams like that Clemson team can win national titles vs Bama but canāt beat Syracuse or Pitt at home and why it happens. When you have a team with better players, who are also more engaged than you, you lose. You win when that talent-loaded team comes in unprepared or disengaged, and you catch them off guard. That could be a theory towards why a talent-loaded team like OU beats OSU so regularly, because they are both always more talented and would most likely be highly engaged. It could also explain why Texas manages to beat OU fairly regularly and always wins their bowl games, but canāt seem to beat a bunch of other B12 teams regularly. Theyāre the only team in the conference with as much talent as OU, and would of course always be engaged. Thatās their super bowl. Also explains why after OU loses one to an inferior team, theyāre engaged and blowing everyone out from that point on.
Not sure how much that plays in but itās definitely an interesting point and a fantastic article to read, Iāll try to find it.
I almost put Baylor over OSU, but kept OSU over because Baylor has had a bunch of Kansas-like seasons in there too. And OSU is a bedlam-problem away from having at least 4 B12 titles in the 2010ās, 5 if they would have beaten ISU in last yearās title game. Baylor has some close misses too, but OSU hasnāt had any winless or 2-win seasons, anything crazy like that. Also Baylor is one of the grossest programs in America and I would hate to be a fan of them and the things theyāve done.
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No u wonāt if gundy beat ou 5 times and 3 more titles u would be on here cry why we havenāt won a natty. Always the wanting rainman
Osu would be top never had a losing season in 15.
I agree about Baylor but Art Briles as a coach did a lot more with Baylor in 7 years than Gundy has done with OSU in 16. I know he also destroyed them with what he let go on. But while Art was at Baylor, Gundy didnāt just have a Bedlam problem but had a Baylor problem too.
Since 2010, OU is 8-1 in De facto title games or conference title games. Their one loss was bedlam 2011. When theyāre engaged, they do not lose. Unless of course they play a team with even better talent than them, like Bama or Clemson.
Baylor tied and u donāt count ties. Tcu was given the higher bid. So Baylor has one with plenty of losing season. They got a band new stadium and still canāt get it back going.
Yeah, but typically that was with Baylorās less talented teams for some reason. Not sure why. OSU set an offensive record en route to a complete slaughter of Baylor in 2011, and then completely embarrassed arguably their best team in 2013. Of course they whipped us with their 2014 team but we were trash that year and it was Masonās first start. They also had the luxury of that being a down year for OU.
In 2011 OU finished 4th in the conference so I think that was a case where they faced better talent. They also faced better talent in 2013 but Gundy lost that one to a tight end playing quarterback.
One thing I do know u sure remember the loses the best. Or is it the ou wins being a troll