Yeah,. I agree with that. Except for Gundy being able to move it forward.
In the last 10 years if Gundy couldn’t find a way to win the conference one time, then I think there is someone out there who could. Baylor, I believe has had three coaches that could out coach him. (Note, I’m only talking coaching, this has nothing to do with character and I realize you are not Robert.)
Overall record is better in my book, body of work is more important than results of single games. I mean the CFP is judged on body of work as is the NCAA BB turney just to name a few. That’s all that one has to know.
Does the CFP and NCAA BB look at conference champions? I heard, if the CFP expands, it would garentee conference champions from the major conferences.
So essentially what you’re saying is you accept being in the same situation in the Big 12 as Iowa is to the Big 10?
Don’t know anything about Iowa except that they own Iowa State.
If I led with that, the discussion wouldn’t have moved anywhere. I’m here for the back-and-forth, the roasts, the logical points, as well as the illogical, the stats, the stories, the whole thing. That’s the purpose, isn’t it? To build a community through different views and angles?
Gundy has said he can only take this thing so far. I trust those above him in chain of command to find the right person to raise the standard above the point that Gundy has it at (which is fairly high). I see your points and agree with most of them. I see Robert’s and…agree with what I can and choose not to argue with the rest of whatever he’s saying at the time.
They do own Iowa State. Ferentz and Gundy career wise are pretty similar aside from the “owning your rival” thing.
I know. It’s almost a lot like how Baylor has owned us since 2012, or even possibly OU.
Nah it’s not even close. The Iowa / Iowa State thing is real perplexing, I think it is worse than OU/OSU but then again I could be wrong as I have never researched it. I just see a lot of those games where there is no way Iowa should win and they always seem to come out on top anyway.
Iowa leads Iowa State 46-22 in the series. OU leads OSU 90-19-7. It’s not even close to being worse.
Well looks like Iowa / Iowa state series doesn’t span the same number of years / time period as bedlam so that’s not a good comparison. Your point could still be true though. Also no excuses but OU has been committed to football from the get go and OSU only in the last 20 years or so, so that’s going to skew the numbers quite a lot.
32% success rate is still better than a 17% success rate.
Not if the underlying numbers are wrong
Maybe normalize things and use like for like years, when all teams were playing each other or even better when all teams were serious about competing at football at the highest level
That’s fine. If I use the first 68 times OU and OSU started playing each other then OU leads the series 58-10. While Iowa and ISU sit at 46-22.
Ok so that’s cool not sure what that tells us since OSU hasn’t been serious about football until Gundy or maybe Les Miles started coaching. Anyways I thought this was a discussion about Iowa vs Iowa State? LOL I’ ve gotten confused on the point. Ok lets look at the last ten years with all of this what does that tell us?
Is Iowa a BB joy ? Makes a lot of difference but again doesn’t fit your narrative. Go back to talking about Vandy Olinemen you haven’t brought that up in awhile
I would say since he was the first coach in nearly 15 years to get us to three straight bowl games that’s where it started.
Iowa might not be a BB, but if you could read in context, and compare and contrast the other examples I’ve given you then the conversation stops there. I know that won’t happen though because you’re too stupid to understand it.