That has nothing to do with my point, and if you have the inside info you could easily post it here, it’s not that difficult to do.
Pay up and you’ll get it. Don’t be a tightwad
You think I bookmark every statement in thousands of posts. You get your information from some hack
It’s not me being a tightwad. It’s you not wanting to admit you’re wrong. Otherwise, post the info 
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The man is 72 years old. He is gruff and unlikable and not in the same way as Nick Saban was. He was gruff, but likable and knew everything about his players. You think Belichick is going to know anything about his players? The ACC is such a bad league, he very well may win a championship, but will they be able to win playoff games if they make it? No. Will there be any sustaining success? No. Who knows what the future of college football will look like, but it won’t be like the NFL were there is a limited talent pool and very strict regulations of contracts, player personnel, etc. Not many coaches have had success in both college and the NFL and almost none have been NFL coaches who later had success in college. Pete Carroll is the only one that comes to mind.
Bill is correct that Belichick is more of a PR stunt than actual coaching matter much like Deion in Colorado was. His experiment has seemingly worked in the second year, will it in a third? Only time will tell, but I’m not putting money down for either Colorado or UNC to win a national title.
@soothsayer First off, I said that I dont think it will work. So youre arguing something that I agree with you on.
“Gruff and unlikeable” as a character trait only matters if you win or lose. If you win…no one cares. If you dont, all of a sudden its a negative. His personality never wouldve flown pre-NIL because he needed to recruit. He doesnt have to do that as much now. All he has to do is convince a kid to play 1yr for him and then head to the NFL. He can treat it as Free Agency, which is something he was great at. Hes got a better chance at being succesful now through the portal and NIL than he wouldve prior.
There are many people in the football world who think Belichick is one of, if not the greatest coaches in the history of the game. The amount of poeple who think he is some “mediocre” coach is a very small number. Again, i dont think its going to work. But his resume is better than anyone they couldve hired. Its far better than what Deions was. I cant stand Prime and all his show…but hes won. I cant sit here and continually knock Deion when hes done such a good job so far. Will it last? I doubt it. I hope not. But until then, I cant knock what hes done.
Belichick and Prime will never win a National Championship. But neither will about 75% of the schools out there.
And what guarantee do you have that OkState will be able to lure a top coordinator, or even bring back ZR, and equal the same success? I’ve mentioned a few blue bloods who failed because they had the same view as you. Even if they do find a needle in a hay stack and find even better success, what keeps that coach at OkState in the middle of nowhere vs heading to FSU, UF, or any other more desirable locations? I’d rather take the known vs the “maybe”.
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I don’t disagree with that assumption, but there are also success stories re: coaches from non-P4 schools……hear of someone named “Prime”?
And having a perennial 3-4 win team with the occasional bowl won’t leave a non-BB school in little to no market out of the consolidation process when that time arrives? There’s no guarantee that OkState will be more successful with a Gundy firing. ZR would’ve been the choice coach had Gundy not agreed to renegotiate. ZR is at the highest level with the opportunity to make more money than OkState can pay. Why step down to OkState and potentially not succeed and ruin all opportunity to lead an NFL team? FSU, UF, and now OU sought the best coordinators/head coaches and are underperforming. Is that the profile you’d prefer?
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Im not in the “Fire Gundy” camp…but I also think the fear of “well, we cant get anybody better” is idiotic thinking as well. OSU absolutely could dump Gundy and fall on hard times. But…they also could find a younger, more innovative, more energetic recruiter thats willing to compete in this NIL era. If Gundy isnt getting the job done on a consistent basis…you make a move. This program and job are top 25 caliber and would have some attractive candidates. I also think the fear of hiring a guy due to him having success and leaving is dumb. If your HC is leaving to take a bigger job it means he had success…and isnt that the whole idea?
“FSU, UF, and now OU sought the best coordinators/head coaches and are underperforming”
Shouldnt that be the logic when making all hires? Seeking out the best coordinators or HC’s available?
You’re basing so much of your argument on this past season, which is an outlier. Trust me, I have my beef with Gundy and recruiting, etc. Just four years ago I too was calling for Gundy’s head. But then he rolled off two 10+ win seasons and played for two CC. Since then, I’ve started changing my view. I travel all over the country in my job. I’ve had the opportunity to sit in first class with some former cowboys currently playing in the NFL. They always said Gundy was the reason why they went to OkState, otherwise, they wouldn’t have chosen to go to Stillwater as a young recruit. I currently live in South Florida. I’ve met with former cowboy golf pros. They say Gundy’s the only one who keeps the Okstate football program running. They’ve helped sell Okstate to football recruits. You should hear some of the feedback. There’s little market for high end recruits when compared to other schools. Grass isn’t always greener, but, hey, we can always have our opinions and none or always right nor are they always wrong.
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I don’t disagree with the thoughts you listed. But, success at a school such as OkState is equal to 9-10 wins. Gundy’s been considered for many HC positions at other schools/bigger conferences, such as Tennessee. He stayed due to his love for the university and born and bred Ok roots. That can’t be said for others. Get a guy who puts together a couple of 9-10 win seasons at OkState, he then becomes a target for bigger schools, as proven in Gundy’s case. What makes that coach’s success any different or better than what we currently have? Billy Napier has tremendous success at a smaller school, now is on the hot seat at UF. Success at one school does not beget success at another equal or larger school. I don’t disagree with shooting for the stars. But it’s fool’s errand to think that tearing down a successful program with hopes of one or two more wins is going to deliver those one or two more wins. A school can then get into the circus of hiring and firing coaches, leading to uncertainty which doesn’t help recruiting. Oh, by the way, OkState doesn’t have the money to pay buyouts of higher profile candidates, therefore you’re stuck with the bad coach. Think I’m wrong? Texas has had a decade of the coaching carousel before finding Sark. OU can’t make the buyout of Venables. Notre Dame had decades of the coaching carousel. And these are blue bloods. Shooting for the stars, IMHO, isn’t in the cards for OkState.
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First off…I appreciate the convo/debate. Finding a solid back and forth on these sites that stays above the belt is a Unicorn.
Youre only looking at it throught the Doom and Gloom lens. You surely have to concede that any hiring/firing can go either way. OSU COULD hire a guy that stays 5 years, has them playing in Conf Title games and then moves on to a better job. But you dont simply keep a HC whos not doing well because youre afraid to hire a guy that could leave. “What makes that coach’s success any different or better than what we currently have?” Look at Arizona St this year. TCU before that. Boise St. SMU. None of those are bluebloods, but somehow made a dent in the college football world in a given year. Now, those likely wont be sustainable and all have had terrible years before or after those appearances…but those bad years dont make the fan base say they shouldnt have made the hire (or fire the guy prior). None of those coaches were “shoot for the stars” guys either. They were good football coaches who fit the job. You are simply acting like OSU should keep Gundy because he wont leave. I agree that is a great trait in a guy…but that should never, ever be a reason to keep from firing him. If you want OSU to win consistently and compete on occasion for a playoff spot…you cant limit your search to Alums of Stillwater High or OSU.
“But it’s fool’s errand to think that tearing down a successful program with hopes of one or two more wins is going to deliver those one or two more wins” Gundy will not get fired for winning 7 games. He’ll get fired for going winning 4 games and acting like a clown.
“A school can then get into the circus of hiring and firing coaches” Again, youre being dramatic. OSU has never been a place that does that. Pat Jones was TERRIBLE from 1989 and they kept him around for 5 more years. Bob Simmons had 3 straight years of losing records before the program got rid of him, and when they did so it was like a death in the family. OSU has never been a coaching carousel.
" leading to uncertainty which doesn’t help recruiting" Gundy isnt recruiting at any level above bad. You and I could recruit just as well as he is.
You mentioned ND, Texas and OU. Those places cant afford to keep bad hires on for long. They have to hire and fire guys at a different rate than OSU. OU…has had 2 terrible seasons since 1998. Those places made bad HIRES. They always fired the correct guy…they just didnt hire the right one every time. If OSU fires Gundy, itll be the right move. Theres no question in my opinion if that time comes. ITs who they hire. But if Gundy isnt the guy…YOU FIRE HIM. Period. Suggestin any program keep a guy simply because youre afriad the next guy will win too much…is insane to me
I can’t guarantee that would be the case. Just like I can’t guarantee Gundy is going to win the conference or make a bowl game. Because he never wins the conference, and I don’t know if hiring a bunch of 60 year old coaches along with recruiting guys from other P4 programs that can’t break the starting lineup is even a recipe for bowl eligibility success.
However, based on an evaluation since Knowles, left I’d say Gundy is most likely to go the Gary Patterson route. Stop ignoring the trends and pay attention to what’s actually happening. It’s that’s becoming the case (which I think it is) then you won’t have the “known” factor any longer 
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Prime’s recruiting and coaching strategies are completely different from Gundy’s. Which is probably why he beat Gundy 52-0.
It’s not doom and gloom, it’s reality. In today’s diva world, which star recruit stands up and says, “hey, I wanna go to Stillwater, Ok and have to drive two hours to okc or an hour to sleepy town Tulsa for entertainment”? As an alum and fan, I don’t want an Aranda-type who had a great 2021 CC season bookended by three losing seasons. I don’t want a TCU who goes to the title game one season, then bookends it with two horrible seasons. I don’t want an FSU program whereby they have a great year, bring in multiple 4- and 5- star portal players then turn around with a worse record than Gundy. For every Arizona St, there’s a Texas Tech. The past couple of years, Tech has been mentioned as a CC contender, even above Okstate, yet they’ve underperformed, although they’ve had better portal transfers than Gundy. You mention Pat Jones and Bob Simmons. Would prefer to avoid that mess too, because we could very well be back in that mess pushing out Gundy. Boise State plays in the G5. I’m not discounting their success, but they’ve become the beacon for young coaches and entertain a coaching carousel every so many years of success and fall back to mediocrity aside from a few high level wins here and there. There’s no guarantee of anything, but being dramatic is salivating over throwing out your winning coach because he had one bad year.
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Which is also why he was 4-8 the year prior.
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Got it. So, Gundy and Okstate should be the favored location for all portal transfers 4- star and up, regardless of fit in the scheme. I simply find it funny, if not absurd, that Okstate has had the continued success that it has although they average 3- star recruits. Its scheme fit, not stars. The countryside, even from the ranks of okstate, is littered with 3-star players outperforming 4- and 5- star players. There are many schools out to re who’d love to have a Gundy-type coach, yet here we are complaining.
I’m not in the Fire Gundy camp.
Is there a scenario in which you would fire Gundy? Or does he stay your coach as long as he wants?
I’m gonna address the other stuff when I get back to my desktop. On my phone now.
"“hey, I wanna go to Stillwater, Ok and have to drive two hours to okc or an hour to sleepy town Tulsa for entertainment” Come on my man, youre smarter than that. There are plenty of players who prefer a place like Stillwater. Stillwater is similar to a bunch of University towns. Oxford. Lubbock. Ames. Manhattan. Morgantown. The list goes on and on.
“I don’t want an FSU program…” You are the only human alive who wouldnt trade the OSU program for the FSU one. Thats an extremely, extremely short-sighted view of history. You have lost your mind if you think the FSU program (that is 1yr removed from being an injured QB away from playing for the Nat title) is somehow lesser than the OSU one. If somehow this 2-10 season by FSU has put them below OSU (who went 3-9)…I dont know what to tell you.
“Tech has been mentioned as a CC contender, even above Okstate, yet they’ve underperformed, although they’ve had better portal transfers than Gundy.” You do realize that the last 3 years, Tech is 16-11 in Conf while OSU is 11-16? Yes, there were some picks for Tech to be the darkhorse to win the Conf last year. They went 6-3. Meanwhile, OSU was picked by everyone to be in the Con Championship game and went 0-9. How in the world are you saying Tech has underachieved…but not OSU??
“Pat Jones and Bob Simmons. Would prefer to avoid that mess too, because we could very well be back in that mess pushing out Gundy.” What happened when OSU got rid of Pat Jones and Bob Simmons??? THEY HIRED LES MILES AND MIKE GUNDY! I think those were pretty good moves, dont you?? Again, firing a guy isnt wrong. Its hiring the wrong guy that gets you in trouble. The firing of Bob Simmons was the right move. Hiring him wasnt. Hiring Les Miles was a great move. Youre completely off base.
“Boise St”…Dude, theyve had 6 different coaches since 1998. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS WON AT LEAST 10 GAMES. They have not had 1 single season finishing below .500 EVERY COACH WAS SUCCESSFUL. How in the world is that a bad thing!!!
You have lost your mind. Again, im not advocating for the firing of Gundy. Hes overall done a very good job. He deserves to ride out as he wishes. But im also not in any way saying the people that want to make change are ignorant.
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